Our "short" episode is still 50 minutes. You're welcome. We're planning to take a hiatus due to time restrictions. We're hoping to be back later, but we'll have to just wait and see what the future holds!

Not only did the previous week not end of a rose ceremony, they didn't even finish all the dates last week! And they didn't even show us who got the group date rose! Are they trying to make us lose our minds?

Why are we still talking about shrimp? Does it matter if Elizabeth was in the hot tub? Is Clayton actually a gold retriever that morphed into a human? Seriously, who was that family? Did anyone consider flag football instead? When will Serene get her date? Why don't more cities utilize the space next to their rivers? All this and more on this week's episode!

Questions that we have after this episode: - What exactly did Cassidy think Clayton was going to talk to her about? - What is Shanae's endgame? - Why were there so few shrimp in the first place? - WHAT IS SHANAE'S ENDGAME??

Two villains emerge this week, but one definitely sucks worse than the other.

Was this the most dramatic night one ever? Probably not, but it did keep me on my toes.

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Welcome to this special quiet edition of Roses and Thorns. Listen as we attempt to record an episode without waking up my 3 year old niece who was sleeping upstairs. Were we successful? Listen and find out!

Ok, we did NOT see this ending coming! We're still reeling from watching what we were sure was going to be the next great Bachelor Nation romance just shatter before our very eyes.

It's the moment no one has been waiting for, the Men Tell All! It's chock full of gimmicks and little to no accountability!