This episode's guest is Morgan C. Williams, Jr., Assistant Professor of Economics at Barnard College, Columbia UniversityMorgan C. Williams, Jr. discusses the first empirical estimate of the race-specific effects of larger police forces in the United States. Each additional police officer abates approximately 0.1 homicides. In per capita terms, effects are twice as large for Black versus white victims. At the same time, larger police forces make more arrests for low-level “quality-of-life” offenses, with effects that imply a disproportionate burden for Black Americans. Notably, cities with large Black populations do not share equally in the benefits of investments in police manpower. Our results provide novel empirical support for the popular narrative that Black communities are simultaneously over and under-policed.Interview by Dartmouth student Shawdi Mehrvarzan '22. Edited by Laura Hemlock. Music: Debussy Arabesque no 1. Composer: Claude Debussy