Musician John Roderick talks with his friend Dan Benjamin about spending the day in your sleeping uniform, predator eyes, owls, television station sign-offs, "Alaska Is", the Catholic Debate Squad, the time his dog ran away, the challenge of being a human being, a humanist, the benefit of religion and political ideology, and fish psychology.

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Episode 41: No Room for Ninjas

America's top two podcast personalities are finally coming together in one podcasting event that will change the way you think about podcasting forever! Like a rock skipping over the placid waters of an alpine lake, Dan and John are all too well aware that this burst of kinetic energy will ultimately deposit them, like all human effort, at rest in the icy depths where no light can penetrate. Until then, they mean to thrill to the chase! To soak up the remaining light and banish thoughts of tomorrow! EXCELSIOR! Please support this show on Patreon.