Hey there, Race Invaders. We’ve got a special one for you today: an interview with Steven Barnes, Hugo-nominated author and screenwriter, martial artist, and all-around cool dude. Also, Alok has a special thanks for all of you listeners, and then he has a special joke for you in the form of someone actually paying Rachel Dolezal to write a fucking book. This is madness.

Thanks for listening to Race Invaders! If you like what you heard, please subscribe, rate, and review us on iTunes, Stitcher, and Google Play Music. Look us up onFacebook and Twitter. Thanks as ever to our brilliant sound engineer, Steve Jacoby, to our guests Marty Gleason and Steven Barnes, and to you, our listeners.

Steven Barnes’ blog and website: https://stevenbarneslife.wordpress.com/

Marty Gleason on Twitter: https://twitter.com/officergleason

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Alok: [email protected]

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