Two (legitimate) tracks into Antipop and we're still searching for a consensus Primus track; Natural Joe, producted by Matt Stone (that one!) checks more boxes than Electric Uncle Sam (including a wondrous excursion to Ler Land), but according to Frankie, it's not all there. We talk about why, and get into some 1990s talk for a record that, so far wallows, in the tropes of late 90's popular music.

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