We're on the roof, so incredibly far apart we were all squinting really hard to see each other and read lips. We talk a bit of current events (Trump had the rona?), get into some George Oppen (NOT J. Robert *****heimer), all sorts of good stuff!

The return of like eight people's favorite podcast (grateful 4 the 8)! We talk about Galway Kinnell, mostly looking at The Book of Nightmares -- a book-length wild ride of a poem (not as spooky as it sounds, folks). https://youtu.be/Iagzm8qFwCQ for video

Out now on Action Books, translated by Victoria Häggblom + Öijer. Also imagine Franz Wright as a professional wrestler.

This is the audio version for those who do not wish to view the episode on youtube: https://youtu.be/Kxps7NJ3xag

This slow burn of an apocalypse is the perfect moment to meet up over webcams, talk about poems, fractured social relations, and how to make a meat sauce under quarantine.

We talk about the winningest writer in Major League Poetry history, Ocean Vuong. Going deep into his MPP's, that's metaphors per page; his LBLA, that's his line break landing average, season to season; the list goes on and guess what---the kid can play.

Just so you know, in the end Michael really does like Bringing the Shovel Down. If you were me at the time, you wouldn't learn this for another 3 weeks. They say time is a circle; pretty sure all circles are flat; Mr. Pizzolatto,

2 -The Wizard in the Palms by Poem Party Podcast

We heard about the passing

Pretty sure this is way more about Tracy K. Smith than Joy Harjo