Jess continues her conversation with composer and gardening enthusiast, Alex Mills. They discuss his musical work in more depth, his commitment to "rawness" in art, and the benefits of sharing difficulties.

a conversation with composer, Alex Mills on the orientating power of natural rhythms, the unlikely confluence of rural and metropolitan experiences, and the bittersweet – the benefits of reintegrating darkness into life. Part 1 of 2.

"It was like a huge cloud in my mind lifted...something in my mind switched on" Jess talks to SongPath's concert pianist, Martin Roscoe about the solace and excitement he finds in the hills, his fascination with maps, and his admiration for Alfred Wainwright.

Jess and Rufus continue their conversation, discussing his WISER MIND psychology of integration, the psychological geography of Carl Jung and E.M. Forster, and the surprisingly grounding force of kaleidoscopic perspectives in the practise of walking a labyrinth.

Jess Dandy and Rufus Harrington talk about embodiment, connectivity, engagement with the mess, and transforming uncertainty into possibility, through SongPath, cognitive behavioural therapy, and Hermetic Meditation, a Western meditative practice.