Charles Vogl with return guest Emily Levada discuss the nature of a mature friendship founded by practicing mutual concessions. This episode helps us consider how we can approach friendship as a bank account that gets depleted or a muscle that grows stronger. Emily has managed through her current company’s growth to over a $30 billion evaluation. She writes and speaks about the role that trust and psychological safety play in organizational creativity, risk-tolerance, and resilience. Earlier, Emily had a career in professional theatre production.