Libertarian gubernatorial candidate, Chris Powell, joins Lukus to discuss his political background and activism, his definition of libertarianism, his motivation to run for governor, the biggest policy issues facing Oklahomans, and Dax Ewbank's 4 M's litmus test.

Elle joins Lukus to discuss the good and bad sides of virtue signaling, libertarian optimism and pessimism, the definition of bigotry, and the recent controversy over the Nashville Statement.