Jake and Anthony talk about Starship Flight 13, the heat shield discourse, Dragon beyond 2030, and shockingly, Jake was the one to say “Let’s talk about the National Security Space Launch program.”

Jake and Anthony are joined by Ethan Barajas and Jamie Palmer, co-founders of Icarus Robotics, to talk about—what else?—robots in space!

Jake and Anthony are joined by Outpost Co-Founder and CEO Jason Dunn to talk about their Earth return vehicles across national security, in-space manufacturing, and other industries.

Jake and Anthony talk about the PROMISE rover, the state of decisions in NASA’s Isaacman era, Rocket Lab buying Iridium, and they give Jeremy Hansen a clap out.

Jake catches Anthony up on the news he missed while on vacation, and also how expensive stage adapters have become.

Jake and Anthony are joined by Jonathan Goff, Director of Advanced Concepts at Gravitics, and Mike Loucks, CEO at SEE, to talk about where to put orbital depots, trajectories from there to the Moon and Mars, and to otherwise set the record straight on their papers after Anthony’s poorly-remembered-and-even-more-poorly-explained mention.

Lindy Elkins-Tanton, Principal Investigator of Psyche, joins Jake and Anthony to talk about Leadership on big NASA missions in her new book Mission Ready.

Miles O’Brien joins Jake and Anthony to talk about Starship Flight 12, the NASA Moon Base updates on LTVs and landers, and Miles’ trip to Antarctica.

Jake and Anthony kick around the SpaceX IPO filing, upcoming first flight of Starship V3, and reorganization at NASA.

Jake and Anthony are joined by Andrew Rush, Co-founder and CEO of Star Catcher, to talk about building a power grid in space, their upcoming in-space demonstration, their big fundraising round announced this week, and where they go from here.