
Economist Mikayla Novak joins NSP to discuss her books Rainbow Liberty and Liberal Emancipation. We also talk about sociology, radical liberalism, fascist economy, and more.
Mikayla Novak is a Senior Fellow in the F. A. Hayek Program for Advanced Study in Philosophy, Politics, and Economics, at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University. She has an economics doctorate awarded by RMIT University in Melbourne, Australia, and a sociology PhD from The Australian National University in Canberra, Australia. Prior to academia in the U.S., Mikayla worked in the Australian public service as well as in think-tanks. Mikayla Novak is the author of several books, including the upcoming Routledge publication, Rainbow Liberty, and has authored over 30 peer-review journal articles. Her research interests include Austrian and evolutionary economics, institutional economics, public choice, and social philosophy and theory.
Link:
https://www.mercatus.org/hayekprogram/scholars/mikayla-novak
https://www.routledge.com/Rainbow-Liberty-Liberal-Political-Economy-and-Queer-Freedom/Goodman-Lofthouse-Novak/p/book/9781041016441
https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-031-94406-2
Chapters:
00:00:00 Introduction
00:12:17 Self-Governance without the State
00:17:21 Libertarian Thought Traps
00:20:37 Rainbow Liberty Book
00:33:05 Queerness and Markets
00:45:45 Charlotte Twight, Political Transaction Costs, and Technocratic Fascism
00:56:21 Liberal Emancipation Book
01:01:09 Radicalism via Don Lavoie
01:08:49 The Relevance of Sociology
01:11:28 Lightning Round and Outro
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Jul 11
1 hr 20 min

Political theorist Martin Jacobson joins NSP to discuss reconciling anarchism and geoism. We talk about land value, non-statist redistribution methods, markets, effective altruism, animal ethics, and more.
Martin Jacobson is a political theorist from Uppsala, Sweden, working in the intersection of politics, philosophy, and economics. His 2024 Ph.D. thesis, on the relationship between geoism and anarchism, was awarded the Swedish Political Science Association’s Prize for best Ph.D. thesis 2022-24. Martin was previously a Research Fellow at the Norwegian Nobel Institute, and is currently a Visiting Fulbright Scholar at Virginia Tech. Aside from academic research, he is also involved with Georgist movement building and engaged in the Effective Altruism movement.
Link:
https://progressandpoverty.substack.com/p/geoism-as-part-of-the-left-libertarian
https://uu.diva-portal.org/smash/record.jsf?pid=diva2%3A1852324&dswid=9012
Chapters:
00:00:00 Introduction
00:05:47 Geoism
00:21:27 Land vs. Property
00:24:11 Monopoly
00:27:38 Redistributing Land without Bloodshed
00:34:58 Nonstate Land Management
00:40:30 Markets and Land Valuation
00:46:27 Swedish Insights
00:49:19 Public Investment of Land Value Tax
00:57:02 Effective Altruism
01:09:54 Lightning Round
01:28:44 Muh Meats
01:41:25 Futurism and Utopia
01:51:24 Final Thoughts and Outro
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May 9
1 hr 59 min

For NSP 75, we spoke with Nathan Goodman about the violence of immigration restrictions and border militarization. We also discussed economics, big tent vs smaller tent alliances, and the relationship between anarchism and liberalism.
Nathan Goodman is a Senior Research Fellow at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University, where he is a Senior Fellow at the F.A. Hayek Program for Advanced Study in Philosophy, Politics, and Economics. He has worked as a Postdoctoral Fellow at New York University, where he was affiliated with the Program on the Foundations of the Market Economy. He earned his PhD in economics from George Mason University. His research focuses on self-governance, civil liberties, and the militarization of U.S. border policies. Previously, he was the Lysander Spooner Research Scholar in Abolitionist Studies at the Center for a Stateless Society. He writes on Substack at Guns, Guards, and Govermant
Links:
https://gunsguardsandgovernance.substack.com/p/guns-guards-and-governance
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10602-025-09499-8
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10602-024-09440-5
https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/5349890-cbp-drone-surveillance-los-angeles/
https://www.mercatus.org/hayekprogram/scholars/nathan-goodman
Chapters:
00:00:00 Introduction
00:08:06 Differentiating Tendencies
00:16:00 Shifting Assessments of Allies
00:32:59 Anarchism and Liberalism
00:46:17 Immigration Policy Effects
00:58:20 The Backlash to ICE
01:12:19 Sanctuaries
01:21:17 Lightning Round and Outro
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Apr 18
1 hr 35 min

For NSP 74, we spoke with Mike Gathers about the politics of Robert Anton Wilson!
In addition, we talked about libertarianism, techno-optimism, the limits of the left-right spectrum, and Mike's recently published book with Hilaritas Press titled, "A Non Euclidian Perspective: Robert Anton Wilson’s Political Commentaries 1960-2005" containing many previously published political articles and interviews of RAW.
Mike Gathers serves as a podcast host and editor at Hilaritas Press where he helped produce the books A Non-Euclidean Perspective: Robert Anton Wilson’s Political Commentaries 1960-2005 and Lion of Light: Robert Anton Wilson on Aleister Crowley. He’s had a career spanning from engineering and management to private practice psychotherapy to executive coaching. He’s currently on a sabbatical with an interest in writing more.
Links:
https://linktr.ee/mgathers23
https://intelligenceincrease.substack.com/
https://www.hilaritaspress.com/podcasts/
https://www.hilaritaspress.com/portfolio-item/a-non-euclidean-perspective/
Chapters:
00:00:00 Introduction
00:18:14 Discordianism
00:23:49 Placing R.A.W. On the Political Spectrum
00:32:36 The Information Era
00:40:16 The Purpose Behind the Book
00:44:14 Descendants of the 60s
00:46:50 The Crowley Connection
00:51:08 Objectivist Dogmatism
00:53:39 Lightning Round
01:08:07 Outro
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Mar 14
1 hr 10 min

For NSP 73 we spoke with Victoria Law about mass incarceration, COVID-19 in prisons, counterproductive reform, abolition, and more.
Victoria Law is a journalist and author who writes about incarceration, resistance and gender. Her most recent book is Corridors of Contagion: How the Pandemic Exposed the Cruelties of Incarceration.
Links:
https://victorialaw.net
https://truthout.org/authors/victoria-law
https://www.haymarketbooks.org/books/2447-corridors-of-contagion
https://bsky.app/profile/victorialaw.bsky.social
Chapters:
00:00:00 Introduction
00:11:17 Political and Politicized Prisoners
00:14:06 Reforming Treatment of Prisoners
00:25:53 Kalief Browder and Rikers Island
00:41:55 Clemency
00:49:51 Corridors of Contagion
00:59:59 American Carceral Mythos
01:09:47 Looking Forward
01:22:19 The Goal of Abolitionism
01:27:22 Lighting Round and Outro
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Feb 7
1 hr 32 min

For NSP 72 we spoke with Bryce and Ary from No More Deaths about immigration, border militarization, providing aid in the desert, the trail of Scott Warren, rising xenophobia, and more.
No More Deaths is a humanitarian organization based in southern Arizona whose mission is to end death and suffering in the Mexico–US borderlands.
Bryce Peterson has been organizing and doing direct aid on the US-Mexico border for four years and was involved in recent abuse documentation for No More Deaths
Ary Tischler has been volunteering with No More Deaths for six years and is currently working as NMD's social media coordinator.
Links:
https://nomoredeaths.org/
https://bsky.app/profile/nomoredeaths.bsky.social
Chapters:
00:00:00 Introduction
00:21:16 Good Samaritans
00:27:11 The Trial of Scott Warren
00:34:05 A Not New Problem
00:41:09 Policies That Could Improve Conditions
00:47:44 Climate and Policy
00:53:52 Getting Involved
00:58:31 Lightning Round and Outro
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Dec 6, 2025
1 hr 12 min

For NSP 71 we spoke with William Gillis of the Fully Informed Jury Association and Center for a Stateless Society about jury nullification and his new book "Did the Science Wars Take Place?"
Links:
https://humaniterations.net/
https://fija.org/
https://store.c4ss.org/index.php/product/did-the-science-wars-take-place-the-political-ethical-stakes-of-radical-realism-preorder/
https://mastodon.social/@rechelon
https://bsky.app/profile/rechelon.bsky.social
Chapters:
00:00:00 Introduction
00:09:58 Unexpected Developments in Politics
00:16:46 Influences
00:20:47 What is Jury Nullification?
00:27:09 Jury Nullification Activism
00:40:21 A Downside to Jury Nullification?
00:49:52 What are the Science Wars?
00:58:18 Anti-realists: Do they exist?
01:08:51 Academic Infighting
01:27:14 Lightning Round and Outro
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Nov 8, 2025
1 hr 50 min

For NSP 70 we spoke with anarchist, writer, and translator Scott Campbell about resistance, decolonialism, academia, Palestine, Mexico, lessons from Occupy, and more.
Scott Campbell (he/him) is an anarchist writer, translator, educator, parent, partner, and grad student. Over the years he has worked with multiple radical independent media platforms, most notably El Enemigo Común and It's Going Down, as well as published essays in several anthologies. His work focuses primarily on Mexico and Palestine.
Links:
https://kolektiva.social/@susurros
https://fallingintoincandescence.com/
https://itsgoingdown.org/author/scott/
Chapters:
00:00:00 Introduction
00:13:06 Decoloniality in Movement Culture
00:35:59 Assessing the Current Climate of Dissent
00:49:43 Extracting Good from Questionable Institutions
00:58:54 Writing
01:07:23 Academia
01:17:06 Critiquing Occupation of Space
01:28:57 Lightning Round and Outro
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Oct 4, 2025
1 hr 35 min

For episode 69 of NSP we're joined by historian Anthony Comegna. We spoke about left libertarianism, the overlaps of Marxism and classical liberalism, education and the limits of "teaching history", Benjamin Lay, the Loco-Focos, and more.
Anthony Comegna is a historian and senior programs manager at the Institute for Humane Studies. He is a specialist in 19th century American political and intellectual history and the history of radical liberalism.
Links:
https://bsky.app/profile/anthonycomegna.bsky.social/
https://reason.com/people/anthony-comegna/
https://www.libertarianism.org/people/anthony-comegna
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNeQlRoOOIMmr3GECjAiyNMvlHgsK1WYt&si=wI6SyVEUIdRkAO3q
Chapters:
00:00:00 Introduction
00:09:59 What is History?
00:35:29 Benjamin Lay
00:54:25 Propagandized History
01:09:07 Libertarians
01:25:20 Getting Involved
01:36:41 Lightning Round
01:42:45 Book Recommendations
01:45:39 Cappuccino and Outro
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Sep 6, 2025
1 hr 49 min

For Episode 68, we spoke with our friend Zak Woodman about philosophy, economics, artificial intelligence, immigration, right-wing hypocrisy, and the ways the State violates people's rights.
Zachary Woodman is the podcast coordinator at Center for a Stateless Society, deputy editor of Notes on Liberty, and an independent scholar. His research interests are in political economy, social and political philosophy, philosophy of mind, meta-ethics and applied ethics.
Links:
https://bsky.app/profile/zacharywoodman.bsky.social
https://c4ss.org/content/author/zachary-woodman
https://notesonliberty.com/author/thefatalconceitum/
Chapters:
00:00:00 Intro
00:08:07 Influential Anarchists
00:13:32 Capitalism
00:19:13 Hiatus
00:23:12 The Media Environment
00:35:14 Artificial Intelligence
00:44:54 Intellectual Property
01:00:08 Immigration and State Tyranny
01:15:45 The Pathological Fears of the Majority
01:32:59 Lightning Round
01:45:22 Outro
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Aug 1, 2025
1 hr 47 min
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