In his first interview since declaring the ElizaOS token dead, Eliza Labs Founder Shaw Walters sits down with CoinDesk's Jennifer Sanasie to lay out what he says actually happened. He also makes a broader case for why crypto's casino culture is actively driving out the builders who could make the space matter and why he's still coding Eliza every day regardless.-Timecodes:-This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie. This interview has been edited for clarity and focus.