On this episode of Lunch With Norm, Norm sits down with Liz Saunders, the founder of Fluencer Fruit, to uncover what brands get wrong about influencer marketing and what actually drives results in 2025.Liz breaks down how she helps eCommerce brands build real relationships with creators, why short-term UGC deals fall flat, and how to scale influencer partnerships with data, not guesswork. You’ll also hear how Fluencer Fruit uses first-party performance data to match brands with the right TikTok and Amazon creators. If you’re a brand owner tired of chasing virality and ready to build influencer systems that convert, this one’s for you.You’ll learn:- How to build long-term influencer partnerships- Why most brands fail at creator outreach- How Fluencer Fruit uses data to match brands and creators- The difference between paid UGC and real influence- How to set up systems for scalable, trackable influencer growthTimestamps______________________________________This episode is brought to you by Flat World Network: Hey Amazon sellers, Norm here! I’ve just launched my new agency, Flat World Network. If your listings aren’t converting or your sales have hit a ceiling, you’re not alone. We help sellers unlock 30% more Amazon sales in just 90 days, using real strategies that work across listings, ads, and backend setup.💥 Get your FREE Amazon Audit - https://flatworldnetwork.com/______________________________________ Sponsors: Sellerboard - https://sellerboard.com/?p=02091 ConnectCash - https://connectcash.io/ Sophie Society - Free PPC audit → https://calendly.com/sophiesociety/noa Levanta - Affiliate Shift Calculator → https://hubs.ly/Q03jnb3B0 Flat World Network - https://flatworldnetwork.com/ HONU Worldwide - https://honuworldwide.com/ Marketing Misfits - https://marketingmisfits.co/ Start. Scale. Exit. Repeat - https://www.amazon.com/Start-Scale-Exit-Repeat-Entrepreneurs/dp/B0CYWGZ6YL Join the Beard Nation at https://www.facebook.com/groups/lunchwithnorm #InfluencerMarketing #LunchWithNorm #LizSaunders