Sometimes we have a habit of being led by the big things in our lives. The illness, the adulting, the heartbreak, the academic difficulties. We wait for them to dissipate before we live and therefore neglect our voice, our creativity, our relationships, and our enjoyment. So it's good to be reminded that we can come alive, we can create, we can make space for masterpieces even when the pieces aren't in place. This podcast is an epitome of just that. Des and Gine don't have it together in the slightest way but they are choosing to share in the midst of it all. Join them in the podcast they had very little to do with creating. Grab a cup of tea, and watch how you can come alive despite the presence of the big things.