Episode begins0:43 Personal check-ins start1:20 Rob introduces Charles Robinson, filling in for Jes2:13 Rob reads Charles’s bio as an entrepreneur, marketing guru, husband, and dad2:48 Charles gives his personal check-in, sharing about his four kids4:23 Rob talks about processing heavy things, but clinging to hope5:14 Rob introduces Donna Harris, CEO of Builders and Backers8:04 Rob asks Donna for one word to describe how she is doing8:10 Donna talks about hanging in there, but holding out on hope8:32 Donna uses the analogy of a snow-globe of injustice and economic crisis being shaken up, but not knowing how it will settle9:56 Charles asks Donna about her story10:12 Donna talks about wanting to work on Wall Street11:56 Donna talks about quitting her job and launching in a threshold of entrepreneurship as a tool that can be used to solve big problems14:31 Rob brings up a previous conversation he heard with Donna about the importance of lament in stepping into injustice15:25 Donna acknowledges the tendency to jump to action, to solve and answer15:56 When we race to the solution, we skip over the critical things that build community and relationships16:29 Donna talks about problems being emotional for people and need to be reframed to understand that16:54 Donna shares about going to Haiti and meeting a little boy there, being broken by serving him then having to leave him17:47 Do we care enough to solve the problems that are deep?18:42 We have to care, and in that depth of lament, comes an openness to solutions that we might not have entertained if we had not paused to feel the full weight19:30 Charles talks about the need to balance between going fast and going deep and the importance of relationships20:52 Charles asks about how we actually creating flourishing cities21:30 Donna admits that our country optimizes for wealth and for fame and we are dealing with the consequences of that on the back-end22:46 A thriving community sees serving and solving, philanthropy and investment as a whole, in which case we are all on the same team25:37 Poverty is a lot of little problems26:00 Interlude27:17 Charles asks how to figure out ways for servers and solvers to take their moments to lament then come together to serve the whole person28:51 We not have have to be right, we are committed to solving the problem30:26 We all have different hypotheses and care about the problem, it’s ok if we have different solutions as long as we agree with common humanity31:44 Rob talks about the important crossover of businesses, nonprofits, and faith communities32:17 Rob asks about the day in the life of Builders and Backers, and living out these value systems in the communities they come alongside of32:42 Rob asks Donna about what could be solved by a magic wand that would have a ripple effect in solving injustice33:51 Donna talks about the ten spirals of stress that work together for a system of brokenness35:41 One part mobilizing and equipping, and we are backing the things that could make a significant debt in the brokenness of systems36:59 There is a whole lot that can be done in our community and it starts local38:27 Charles asks Donna her why and what keeps her going39:00 Donna talks about being a person of faith, seeing brokenness everywhere, but knowing that problems are solvable39:56 Donna talks about a main problem being our selfishness, wanting to get ahead and achieve, and how that inhibits us from seeing one another42:08 Rob talks about the importance of what we optimize and who it values44:47 Rob asks about where listeners can get involved44:50 Donna shares buildersandbackers.com to equip people to solve problems45:53 Donna signs off of the conversation46:08 Rob asks Charles as what stood out to him most46:30 Charles shares about how he keeps coming back to how selfishness is a root of a lot of our community’s problems48:00 Rob shares about how pausing and feeling the weight of the wounds so that we can develop a different set of answers49:33 Rob talks about never moving past relationships50:30 OutroThank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show!Follow DJ Pdogg online:www.djpdogg.comTwitterInstagramFollow Producer Lo KeyInstagramOur sponsors:ReCity NetworkCoastal Credit UnionOur hosts:Jes Averhart, cofounder of Black Wallstreet HomecomingRob Shields, executive director of the Recity Network.Our Producer:Ben Azevedo, owner of Bear Cave Audio