Episode starts 0:44 Personal check-ins start1:16 Rob talks about time with family and being outside more2:13 Rob mentions the relevance of The Social Dilemma and the case for tribalism5:01 Jes talks about fall and life and cooler weather8:31 Brittany K Barnett signs onto the conversation10:20 Jes introduces Brittany and the importance of her focus being reframing how we look at justice11:43 Brittany takes some time for a personal check in12:44 Jes asks Brittany to tell her story and how she got involved in the work she’s doing 12:48 Brittany tells about growing up in a small town13:12 Brittany brings up her mom’s drug addiction and it eventually leading to prison13:48 Brittany mentions from very early on learning about the brokenness of the system, recognizing that her mom needed treatment, not prison16:05 Brittany shares that she always wanted to be a lawyer, but as she grew older, it felt more out of her reach17:04 Brittany started school for accounting17:46 Brittany mentions a critical race theory course that changed her life19:48 Rob asks Brittany about Sharonda Jones’ case, how it impacted her, and the importance of getting proximate20:15 In 1986, the US Congress passed the Anti-Drug Abuse Act with a 100-to-1 weight ratio with cocaine24:30 Brittany wrote to Sharonda about taking her case and how quickly they became like family26:27 Brittany shares how Sharonda was released from prison by President Barack Obama after 16 years and 9 months28:31 Jes asks Brittany what she could fix with a magic wand to be able to change28:52 Brittany answers that she would change the retro-activity in the laws that are changing29:40 Do we want a justice system? Do we want to pay to incarcerate people, like Sharonda Jones, for lifelong sentences?29:52 The country spends over 80 billion dollars a year on incarceration, so we need transformation, not reformation31:01 Rob asks Brittany about what gives her hope for what fuels her31:16 Brittany gets hope from her clients and the Buried Alive Project32:47 Brittany shares the importance of humanizing the data and how important it is for her work33:44 A Knock at Midnight brings the story of incarceration and Sharonda Jones to light34:54 Jes asks Brittany about how listeners can show up35:09 Brittany encourages people to educate themselves about the issue and to reach out to local organizations doing the work and exercising the right to vote37:49 Brittany shares more about how to get the book, available at Amazon, Barnes and Noble, and audio book39:03 Brittany signs off conversation39:40 We have to look past the numbers to the heartbeat40:01 Rob shares that his takeaway is the importance of the humanity aspect41:17 Jes shares that her takeaway was thinking about Brittany’s comment of how much genius gets locked up beyond bars because of one mistake41:49 Rob admits that the language we use to define someone behind bars does not give credit to genius43:51 Sign-off43:59 OutroThank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show!Follow DJ Pdogg online:www.djpdogg.comTwitterInstagramFollow Producer Lo KeyInstagramOur sponsors:ReCity NetworkCoastal Credit UnionOur hosts:Jes Averhart, cofounder of Black Wallstreet HomecomingRob Shields, executive director of the Recity Network.Our Producer:Ben Azevedo, owner of Bear Cave AudioOur EditorChris Pappalardo