Ian speaks with Sylvan Esso's Amelia Meath and Nick Sanborn about the pain of daily existence, releasing a record on 9/11, nuance and depth in a discography, making a record in the midst of environmental catastrophe, overemphasizing despair, trying to become Phish, the difficulties in ditching Spotify, working with Daniel Aged, and more."OW ∞" AVAILABLE NOWFOLLOW SYLVAN ESSO IN INSTAGRAM