Bob Dylan and the Beatles. Office Hours and Jokermen. Game recognizes game in this very special "In Conversation" podcast collaboration with OHL's Tim Heidecker, Jokermen's Ian Grant and Jim Windolf, author of Where the Music Had to Go: How Bob Dylan and the Beatles Changed Each Other―and the World. This one is for the true heads. Dig in and enjoy the conversation!

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The Jokermen chat with friend of the pod Aaron Olson about whimsy, Robert Fripp's balls, Newgrange, punishers, Richard Harris, his rejoinder to "Honkin' Down The Highway," the accidental poetry of Pete Weber, Bob Dylan, Bruce Hornsby, Doug Weston's Troubadour, the many potential meanings of the phrase "Pet Sounds," his great new record Songs Album II, and much more. FOLLOW AARON ON INSTAGRAM "SONGS ALBUM II" AVAILABLE NOW

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Ian speaks with the great Mike Campbell about his affectation and appreciation for Brian Wilson, growing up with the Beach Boys, working through the loss of Tom Petty, pinch hitting for Lindsey Buckingham, working with the Dirty Knobs, the pleasures of airports, the True Confessions '86 Tour, and much more. LISTEN TO "MISSION OF MERCY" FOLLOW MIKE ON INSTAGRAM

Ian talks to Death Cab For Cutie's Dave Depper about making a great rock record, the Gibbardian work ethic, his status as the Ron Wood of Death Cab, his induction into the band, going indie 30 years into a career, raging against the dying of the light, taking selfies with Mike Love and Al Jardine in the catering tent—plus a dispatch from the debut performance of Bob Dylan's Long Hot Summer 2026 Tour. FOLLOW DAVE ON INSTAGRAM LISTEN TO "I BUILT YOU A TOWER"

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Ian chats with Ian O'Neil and John McCauley of Deer Tick about taking their time, writing rock songs about Rhode Island, the Providence scene, the Newport Folk Festival, being upstaged by Joni Mitchell, Dan Bejar's turn to synthesizers, the Adult Correctional Institution, Bob Dylan, Weird Al, Brian Wilson, and the new Deer Tick record Coin-O-Matic. FOLLOW DEER TICK ON INSTAGRAM COIN-O-MATIC OUT JUNE 5th DEER TICK ON TOUR THIS SUMMER/FALL

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