Andrew talks with James about the concept of civilization and how we can use it to understand our shared past and future.&nbsp; &nbsp; Sources: Against the Grain by James C. Scott Civilized to Death by Christopher Ryan Wild Thought by&nbsp; Claude L&eacute;vi-Strauss Ishmael by Daniel Quinn The Botany of Desire by Michael PollanSee <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

It Could Happen Here started as an exploration of the possibility of a new civil war. Now a daily show, it's evolved into a chronicle of collapse as it happens, and an exploration of how we might build a better future. Every day Robert Evans, Garrison Davis, Mia Wong, and James Stout take you on a jaunty walk through the burning ruins of the old world and towards a better one that lays just on the horizon.