Since the Taliban took control in Afghanistan again in 2021, women have been prevented from studying and therefore from training to provide services to mothers, newborns, and children. Dr. Shatha Elnakib and colleagues used the LiST (Lives Saved Tool) modelling system, to illustrate what effects this might have on the workforce, the acceptability of predominantly-male led MNCH services to service users, and the subsequent effects on maternal and child mortality from a lack of care-seeking. She joins Gavin Cleaver, senior editor at The Lancet Global Health, to discuss her study, the current state of MNCH provision in Afghanistan, and also what modelling studies like this one can't capture in the human stories.Click here to read the full article: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(26)00135-X/fulltextThe Lancet global Health in conversation with...  is part of the Lancet Group podcast offering.  Editorial team: Editor-in-Chief Zoë Mullan, acting deputy editor Pingyue Jin, senior editors Shangrong Han, and Gavin Cleaver. Podcast editing: Matteo Simonetti Visit https://www.thelancet.com/multimedia to learn more.  Find the best science for better lives at thelancet.comFollow us today at...https://thelancet.bsky.social/https://instagram.com/thelancetgrouphttps://facebook.com/thelancetmedicaljournalhttps://linkedIn.com/company/the-lancethttps://youtube.com/thelancettv