In this episode, Jessica interviews Chaplain Barbel Wray on the things people say to grievers that aren't helpful and who our safe people are. Barbel tells us that grief is the result of anything that breaks our hearts. 

If you are interested in working with Barbel you can find her on her website at https://www.chaplainbarbelwray.com or you can reach her through email at [email protected]

If you have questions about today's episode, have requests for future episodes topics, or want to see what grief programs Jessica is currently offering please visit her website www.hopeagaincounseling.com or email her at [email protected]