Joel is joined by author, commentator and advocate Heather McGhee, author of "The Sum of Us: What Racism Costs Everyone and How We Can Prosper Together." Joel and Heather discuss her book, the intersection with the January 6 insurrection on the Capitol and Tim Scott's recent comments. Here Comes the Payne is presented by PLAA Wear. Go to PressPLAA.com to learn more. 

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