For this episode, Joel is joined by SiriusXM VP of Urban Radio and the Host of Sirius XM's The Heat Channel 46, Dion Summers. They discuss the intersection of politics and pop culture, looked back at how the culture processed the Trump years and talked about how some of music's biggest names leveraged their voices more than ever in the last decade. Follow the show @herecomesthepaynepod on Instagram and Follow Joel on Twitter @paynedc.