
Is every alleged criminal in the dock a scapegoat? How can you tell when someone actually is a scapegoat? In the immediately previous episode (165), Bill asked Jim if Fauci is a scapegoat. Jim said no, but he also sensed that his reasoning was insufficient to answer Bill's pressing question. What are the timeless standards? This episode IS NOT ABOUT ANY ONE PERSON - not limited to the current headline. It's timeless. You'll be able to repeatedly apply it to future social conflicts. Oh, and Bill catches Jim off-guard. Jim learns something new, right in front of you! You'll learn things too, if you tune in.
Primer: Rene Girard explains that religions, nations, and states are founded on sacrifice - the sacred murder of someone who possesses partial or complete innocence. That person is the scapegoat. The grossly oversimplified version (go watch episode 88) goes like this...
Desire is modeled.
An imitator covets.
Rivalry ensues.
The contagion spreads; an angry mob forms.
Violence breaks out. There might even be a war.
The scapegoat is blamed for the violence and killed.
Peace returns, so the scapegoat becomes sacred.
Taboos and rituals arise so the community can avoid repeating the war.
If Girard is right, then this process has profound implications to sociology, theology, and plain old politics.
SHOW REFERENCES
88: René Girard: The Founding of Religion and State https://youtu.be/dL8Err6K778
The Rene Girard Playlist at YouTube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLop5COwTfeX727RXjBsStfIcnDcieZZzi
121: Daryl Davis Pt 1, Biography of his work: https://youtu.be/Yu-j3zvD2o8
122: Daryl Davis Pt 2, Fighting Racism with Grace: https://youtu.be/ceL600_kQi0
165: Is Anthony Fauci Just a Scapegoat? - https://youtu.be/Q4OUSUhXP0o
CHAPTERS
0:00 The relevance of sin
1:03 Theme
1:36 Purpose - Four ways
3:28 Girardian caveats
5:05 Sacrifice, It is finished
6:28 That's not very graceful
9:08 Non-Culpability test
11:38 De-mythologizing sacred violence
13:20 Motive Check test
20:46 Rivalry test
23:57 Catharsis or Reflection
26:17 Who are my victims?
35:21 The Desires that lead to violence
39:32 Restoration or Vengeance? test
42:34 Putting it all together
CREDITS
Bill Protzmann is your moderator.
This episode is sponsored by Zero Aggression Project. https://zeroaggressionproject.org/
Thank you to Randy Garbin for our amazing episode thumbnails: http://randygarbin.com/
We are grateful to Sergio at https://www.youtube.com/@KeysofMoonMusic for our intro theme.
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Be grace-full to each other.
Aug 12
48 min

New evidence of a lab leak. A named conspiracy: The Spillover Gang. Jim and Bill get to both. Even better, an unscripted conversation lands on something sharper: why politics gets in the way of truth, and why truth is vital.
Thousands of other shows chase the phony ethics drama over Fauci's "diary" or debate the legality of his Fifth Amendment plea. This episode does neither. Instead, the Fifth Amendment gets a spiritual read, not a legal one — and the real time goes to new evidence, and what it will actually take to achieve "truth and reconciliation."
SHOW REFERENCES
EP41: COVID and the Spillover Gang: https://youtu.be/T7ZRFtnwBOo
Jim's first interview with Bill on Authentic Human Outliers: https://youtu.be/og-OJDgzQVg
EP159: Hantavirus And The Lab Leak Indictment of David Morens: https://youtu.be/ETkPKeX2zpw
EP94: Mimetic Mirror: Jerry Bowyer Explores Jesus's Eye Parable: https://youtu.be/i_zaPoAx8co
CHAPTERS
0:00 Why we can't get reconciliation
0:34 Theme
0:47 Is Fauci a Scapegoat?
3:55 Truth before reconciliation
5:54 Conspiracy to cover truth
8:36 New Spillover Gang info
10:21 The Proximal Origins conspiracy
15:41 Not a mere mistake
17:59 Pardon preventing truth
19:51 Pain and punishment
22:20 Politics crushes the truth
26:29 Truth is the First Commitment
29:03 Can't just blame the media
34:38 Can we still have hope?
37:54 Caring for your own soul
CREDITS
Bill Protzmann is your moderator.
This episode is sponsored by Zero Aggression Project. https://zeroaggressionproject.org/
Thank you to Randy Garbin for our amazing episode thumbnails: http://randygarbin.com/
We are grateful to Sergio at https://www.youtube.com/@KeysofMoonMusic for our intro theme.
► https://www.patreon.com/user?u=10500501
or
you can purchase his music on BandCamp:
► https://keysofmoon.bandcamp.com/
► If you have any questions please feel free to write to Sergio at: [email protected]
Be grace-full to each other.
Aug 3
41 min

Bombing campaigns. Boots on the ground. Even nukes. There's no shortage of confident opinions about what Trump should've done differently in Iran.
This episode takes the best of those ideas seriously. Not the strawman versions, but one of the strongest ideas out there: airdropping weapons to Iranians so they could rise up and overthrow the regime themselves. It's a clever idea. It's also wrong, and we'll walk through exactly why.
Along the way... Three reasons arms were never dropped, what Friedrich Hayek, Richard Maybury, and Harry Browne would say about why government interventions fail, and BRAND NEW! - the "Tax-Funded Midas Curse" — a concept that explains why this failure was baked in from the start.
NOTES & RESOURCES
WarTruth.org - the history of U.S. Gov foreign interventions: https://wartruth.org/
TruthAboutWar.org - predicting the problems with the Iraq War: https://truthaboutwar.org/home.shtml
CHAPTERS
0:00 Prefer regime change
0:35 Theme
0:48 It wasn't done right
2:02 Regime change air ball
6:16 Dropping arms to the people
11:06 Why arms weren't dropped
13:26 Allied vs liberated Iran
15:50 Best laid plans
18:58 TruthAboutWar and WarTruth dot org
27:03 Let's pretend, the fatal conceit
28:28 Let's pretend, Chaostan
31:01 Let's pretend, the dictator fallacy
33:33 Why the best government plans fail
34:40 Tax-funded Midas curse
40:02 The instrument fallacy
43:18 The implementation doom loop
46:01 You say you want a revolution
49:57 What's happening to Islam in Iran?
52:16 Voluntary organizing a revolution
56:21 Government hates the competition
CREDITS
Bill Protzmann is your moderator.
This episode is sponsored by Zero Aggression Project. https://zeroaggressionproject.org/
Thank you to Randy Garbin for our amazing episode thumbnails: http://randygarbin.com/
We are grateful to Sergio at https://www.youtube.com/@KeysofMoonMusic for our intro theme.
► https://www.patreon.com/user?u=10500501
or
you can purchase his music on BandCamp:
► https://keysofmoon.bandcamp.com/
► If you have any questions please feel free to write to Sergio at: [email protected]
Be grace-full to each other.
Jul 27
1 hr 1 min

As part of a ten year project to achieve Parity with the major parties, Libertarian Party Chair Evan McMahon is pledging to grow the LP to nearly ten times its current size during his term. How will he do it? Will it work? Plus, you'll learn four ways that the LP is already "punching above its weight." Like, why is the GOP so scared of the Libertarians? And, likely unique to this interview, you'll learn how Evan is already bringing Grace to the Party.
REFERENCED DURING THE SHOW
LP.org - https://lp.org/parity-project-recruitment-portal/
Advocates for Self-Government, Libertarian Landscape Survey, scroll to the P.S. - http://eepurl.com/R9fTpe8XPG
Jeremy Todd for Congress, KY-4 - https://jeremy-todd.com/
EP37: Into the mind and motives of Jo Jorgensen, Libertarian 2.27.23 - https://youtu.be/qOxi4Pl_hHo
CHAPTERS
0:00 Obviously Libertarians matter
0:23 Theme
0:35 Evan and becoming a Libertarian
4:30 Who else, but the Libertarians?
10:17 GOP and Dems terrified of the LP
13:15 Libertarians change policy
17:32 Libertarians are breaking through
21:27 Are there 30 million libertarians?
23:50 Making the LP more inviting
30:46 The Parity Project and Evan's Pledge
35:43 Why recruiting members is the best strategy
41:28 On the sidelines? A Come Home message
45:02 Bringing Grace to the party
52:23 Convention, where and when
54:06 Evan's most pleasant surprises
57:48 How to get involved now
1:00:43 Jim's appeal
1:01:27 A way to shut the state's lights off
CREDITS
Bill Protzmann is your moderator.
This episode is sponsored by Zero Aggression Project. https://zeroaggressionproject.org/
Thank you to Randy Garbin for our amazing episode thumbnails: http://randygarbin.com/
We are grateful to Sergio at https://www.youtube.com/@KeysofMoonMusic for our intro theme.
► https://www.patreon.com/user?u=10500501
or
you can purchase his music on BandCamp:
► https://keysofmoon.bandcamp.com/
► If you have any questions please feel free to write to Sergio at: [email protected]
Be grace-full to each other.
Jul 22
1 hr 3 min

Tucker Carlson announces he's left the GOP and he's going to help launch a third party. Well, it's no secret that Tucker has been eyeing a presidential run for months. *Almost certainly, Tucker Carlson doesn't understand the rigged rules that practically ban third parties from competing! Even the political media are ignorant of the rules and barriers.* But if Tucker watches this episode, he'll learn and even discover novel strategies about how to execute his plan. You too can learn things hardly anyone gets about third party campaigns. This episode is packed with insight!
RESOURCES MENTIONED DURING THE SHOW
- Jim consulted about the LP See: Episode 160: Libertarian National Chairs Nekhaila and Darr - https://youtu.be/Zrm_Qhtm8-w
- LP big tent episode was 129: Libertarian Purity Tests Do NOT Exist https://youtu.be/0lD3JdZGCS8
- Jim's Paul v FEC case at the U.S. Supreme Court https://www.realcampaignreform.org/
- Jim's co-authored book, "The Plan: How to Create a Libertarian America in as Little as Ten Years, Using Resources That Already Exist!" Get it FREE here: https://lp.org/parity-project-recruitment-portal/
- IG06: How Robert Kennedy Is Quitting The Race (10/9/23) https://youtu.be/zDIuzpyZVPs
CHAPTERS
0:00 Who understands 3rd parties?
0:14 Theme
0:26 It's been a month
2:36 Paparazzi-level political coverage
3:11 Appreciating alternatives
5:59 Tucker's tell
11:03 Tucker the third
14:07 Famous quitters
16:58 Secret code to ballot access
19:14 Why Tucker won't go to THE third party
22:28 Tucker and the LP Mises Caucus
25:15 The War Chest
31:21 Citizens United, an opportunity
41:01 The state of the parties
45:39 Major prediction: Era of Bespoke Parties
53:26 Is Tucker's timing right? Will he break the rules?
CREDITS
Bill Protzmann is your moderator.
This episode is sponsored by Zero Aggression Project. https://zeroaggressionproject.org/
Thank you to Randy Garbin for our amazing episode thumbnails: http://randygarbin.com/
We are grateful to Sergio at https://www.youtube.com/@KeysofMoonMusic for our intro theme.
► https://www.patreon.com/user?u=10500501
or
you can purchase his music on BandCamp:
► https://keysofmoon.bandcamp.com/
► If you have any questions please feel free to write to Sergio at: [email protected]
Be grace-full to each other.
Jul 7
58 min

The title was ironic: "Why can't the #libertarianparty get it right? #davesmith explains." As gracefully as possible, Jim Babka lays out the historical reasons why it's ironic.
This is the Liam McCollum show we're responding to - https://youtu.be/SH_D95dsoJ8
NOTES
EP130: Wish Dave Smith Was A Libertarian On Immigration - https://youtu.be/tANBs1_n3nE
EP88: René Girard: The Founding of Religion and State - https://youtu.be/dL8Err6K778
EP160 Libertarian National Chairs Nekhaila and Darr - https://youtu.be/Zrm_Qhtm8-w
Oops: Late in the episode, Jim accidentally says "The New Yorker" when I meant "The New York Post."
Recorded Tuesday, June 2, 2026
CHAPTERS
0:00 Name of The Game
0:25 Theme
0:37 The true fight is not against people
5:59 The madness of mobs
10:05 Rene Girard to the courtesy phone
14:36 Track record of Dave the Dropout
22:13 The locust that ate the Party
33:23 The Play in Two Acts
37:16 Is there anything left for locusts to eat?
44:37 Anything we can say to make them look bad
CREDITS
Bill Protzmann is your moderator.
This episode is sponsored by Zero Aggression Project. https://zeroaggressionproject.org/
Thank you to Randy Garbin for our amazing episode thumbnails: http://randygarbin.com/
We are grateful to Sergio at https://www.youtube.com/@KeysofMoonMusic for our intro theme.
► https://www.patreon.com/user?u=10500501
or
you can purchase his music on BandCamp:
► https://keysofmoon.bandcamp.com/
► If you have any questions please feel free to write to Sergio at: [email protected]
Be grace-full to each other.
Jun 8
48 min

This one is audio-only, taken from Jim Babka's appearance on The Gary Nolan Show, Thursday May 21. Jim had a secret he wouldn't share until he was on air. And Jim's review of Tom Massie's primary loss includes a fact that everyone overlooks. Turns out, there's a very positive half-loaf analysis to be had - as in, "How strong a candidate is Massie for a 2028 Libertarian presidential run?" On top of that, Jim explains why people were willing to imbibe lies about Massie - in other words, the real Steelman reason that the MAGA base is still so loyal to Trump. You'll want to hear it all in this brief episode.
CREDITS
Bill Protzmann is your moderator.
ZERO AGGRESSION PROJECT - https://zeroaggressionproject.org/ - is our sponsor.
But the views expressed are exclusively those of the participants, and not necessarily those of the board, staff, or supporters of the Zero Aggression Project.
Zero Aggression Project is a non-profit organization that does not endorse or support any candidates for public office.
Be grace-full to each other.
May 27
13 min

Did Libertarian Party national Chair Steven Nekhaila and Vice Chair Paul Darr call Jim Babka for a crucial LP history lesson? Did they take extraordinary action after that call? Who are these men, what makes them tick? And what will happen next, given that they're moving on from their current positions?
NOTES
I will be attending the national convention in Grand Rapids Michigan over Memorial Day weekend - https://www.lnc2026.com/
CHAPTERS
0:00 Theme
0:13 When Jim met Paul
2:48 Meet Steven Nekhaila
5:42 Meet Paul Darr
9:54 Finding the missing piece
12:34 Working the details
15:03 Why to join the Libertarian Party
20:46 The real reasons third parties lose elections
27:38 How to make the LP politically potent
30:43 Perry Willis and the Parity Project
35:15 Barely started. Will it be fulfilled?
38:40 Party leadership at the next convention
47:48 Convention May 21-25 Grand Rapids MI
52:58 A real choice at this event
54:07 With THIS thing comes everything
CREDITS
Bill Protzmann is your moderator.
This episode is sponsored by Zero Aggression Project. https://zeroaggressionproject.org/
Thank you to Randy Garbin for our amazing episode thumbnails: http://randygarbin.com/
We are grateful to Sergio at https://www.youtube.com/@KeysofMoonMusic for our intro theme.
► https://www.patreon.com/user?u=10500501
or
you can purchase his music on BandCamp:
► https://keysofmoon.bandcamp.com/
► If you have any questions please feel free to write to Sergio at: [email protected]
Be grace-full to each other.
May 19
58 min

You've heard of an October Surprise. Now, Tom Massie is the victim of a May Surprise - because his primary election is next Tuesday. And you heard Jim Babka predict that this smear campaign would happen, back in December (see link below).
Jim explains the fake attack. But the BIGGER QUESTION involves grief. Massie's opponents have continued to hit him where it hurts - the death of his wife. And this makes Jim wonder aloud...
Why do adults, actual grown ups, act so weird about sexuality and the need for human connection? Why does anyone believe they have the right to determine how others should handle their grief and loneliness?
As always, this is about grace.
12.10.25 / The Self-Hating Tea Party vs Thomas Massie - https://youtu.be/8nQzLJ2hQEk
- recorded 12.5
1.5.26 / Instant 43: Attacks on Tom Massie and Rand Paul have already begun - https://youtu.be/YGY0ILpk9us
3.18.26 / 156: The Latest Attack on Tom Massie, Reading Between the Lines - https://youtu.be/VAIwFgQJHDU
CREDITS
Bill Protzmann is your moderator.
ZERO AGGRESSION PROJECT - https://zeroaggressionproject.org/ - is our sponsor.
But the views expressed are exclusively those of the participants, and not necessarily those of the board, staff, or supporters of the Zero Aggression Project.
Zero Aggression Project is a non-profit organization that does not endorse or support any candidates for public office.
Be grace-full to each other.
May 15
10 min

Is the David Morens indictment science vs. politics, or even political retaliation?
This government scientist has been indicted for allegedly conspiring to suppress investigation into the Covid lab leak. Meanwhile, passengers disembarked a ship in Spain after Hantavirus exposures, and we recorded this episode the next day (May 11) because this leaves us in uncomfortable wonder: Are we still vulnerable to the same failures that may have cost millions of lives?
We're not here to do much rehash of what we covered in our landmark March 2023 Episode 41, "Covid and the Spillover Gang." There, we presented a thorough case for why the lab leak was a far better explanation than zoonotic spillover. Here, we're bringing you the breaking facts in the Morens indictment, what they reveal about the original investigation, and why they matter today.
And here's what might surprise you most: Jim will show how this entire affair — the cover-ups, the politics, the tangled science — can be handled with Grace leading to reconciliation.
Two crises. New evidence. A path forward. Start listening.
NOTES
EP41: Covid and the Spillover Gang - https://youtu.be/T7ZRFtnwBOo
White House "five points" - https://substack.com/home/post/p-190758502
CHAPTERS
0:00 Opening
0:27 Theme
0:40 Hantavirus and David Morens
2:05 No Hantavirus drama
4:00 The Spillover Gang redux
8:24 Trump admin is doing its job
11:47 David Morens' indictment
16:28 Three tricks to undermine FOIA
19:07 Why it's not science vs politics
25:26 Why it's not political retaliation
28:06 How much info does democracy require? 29:19 What was the Spillover Gang's role?
33:00 Gracepoint: Truth before reconciliation
38:03 Things we can do, or stop doing, now
CREDITS
Bill Protzmann is your moderator.
This episode is sponsored by Zero Aggression Project. https://zeroaggressionproject.org/
Thank you to Randy Garbin for our amazing episode thumbnails: http://randygarbin.com/
We are grateful to Sergio at https://www.youtube.com/@KeysofMoonMusic for our intro theme.
► https://www.patreon.com/user?u=10500501
or
you can purchase his music on BandCamp:
► https://keysofmoon.bandcamp.com/
► If you have any questions please feel free to write to Sergio at: [email protected]
Be grace-full to each other.
May 13
41 min
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