George is joined by his friend and colleague Rev. Dr. Amy Butler, author of the recently released "Beautiful and Terrible Things" on the necessity of community, the inevitability of conflict, and the transformative power of radical love.They discuss her book and her story, how the weaponizing of religion today is similar to the political situation Jesus encountered, and the need for crossing boundaries and for doing the hard work.“Religious communities can be good and redemptive and world-changing if we'll only do the hard work.” - Amy Butler