What happens when school stops simulating the real world — and starts participating in it? This week, Rod and Jal are joined by Dov Stucker, to talk about Burlington City & Lake Semester (BCL), an immersive, place-based public school program in Burlington, Vermont that turns the entire city into a classroom. It’s a conversation about civic learning, public trust, and what becomes possible when students stop practicing for life and start participating in it.