In this conversation, ultra runner David Roche discusses his journey in the sport, his coaching philosophy, and the importance of community and vulnerability in running. He shares insights on balancing personal goals with coaching responsibilities, the mindset required for ultra races, and the significance of running economy in performance. Support the Podcast on Patreon: patreon.com/freeoutsideRoche emphasizes the need for athletes to embrace vulnerability and shoot for big goals, while also highlighting the collaborative nature of coaching with his partner, Megan Roche. In this conversation, David and Jeff explore the intricacies of ultra running, focusing on training adaptations, the importance of community support, and the evolving understanding of training metrics. They discuss the balance between volume and quality in training, the role of cross training, and the significance of emotional support during races. David shares his personal experiences and insights on how to approach ultra running with a mindset of curiosity and openness, emphasizing the importance of community in the sport.Find David on the Internet:InstagramSome Work All Play Podcasttakeaways-David Roche emphasizes the importance of community in ultra running.-He believes in a non-zero-sum approach to coaching.-Vulnerability is a key aspect of the athlete's journey.-The mindset of 'shooting your shot' is crucial for success.-Running economy is essential for ultra performance.-Strides can significantly improve running economy.-Coaching is a collaborative process between David and Megan Roche.-David's journey to the Leadville record was fueled by a desire to model vulnerability.-The process of training should be anchored in fun.-David encourages athletes to pursue big, scary goals. Adaptation in training -can lead to significant performance improvements.-Quality of training often outweighs quantity in ultra running.-Cross training can enhance running economy and reduce injury risk.-Challenging traditional training norms can lead to better long-term results.-RPE should be calibrated with physiological metrics for better training outcomes.-Community support plays a crucial role in ultra running success.-Emotional resilience is key to overcoming challenges in races.-Understanding the science behind training can help redefine personal limits.-The importance of fueling strategies in ultra running cannot be overstated.-Embracing a mindset of curiosity can enhance the running experience.Sound Bites"It's not a zero sum game.""We are all in it together.""Life is short.""I had to model that.""What are we all capable of?""Shoot your shot.""The process is about vulnerability.""The Holy Grail of running.""Heat is a part of training.""I want to be done for a late dinner.""We are in this together."Chapterskeywords: David Roche, ultra running, Leadville 100, coaching, running economy, training science, vulnerability, community, mindset, personal growth, ultra running, training, adaptation, cross training, heart rate, community support, performance, running economy, mental resilience, athlete coaching