Aaron and Andrew talk about recent experiments in video production including Aaron's upcoming MySQL for Developers course and Andrew's YouTube videos from The Rails SaaS Conference. Aaron's "confidence monitor" "Launching a SaaS in Nine Hours using Rails and Bullet Train" Screenflow Recut The complete collection of Aaron's short form Twitter videos seasoned with dank but unrelated memes An actual example of Aaron's short form videos An example of Andrew's feature release videos "Getting to One Million Users as a One-Woman Dev" by Nadia Odunayo at Rails SaaS

Aaron and Andrew chat about automated software testing, including the tools in both Laravel and Rails but also sharing thoughts on testing DSLs, test-driven development, headless browser tests, running tests in parallel, experiments building a CI service, and point-and-click test authoring.

Andrew and Aaron compare how APIs are typically built in Rails and Laravel and generally discuss API versioning, pagination, standards like OpenAPI (formerly Swagger,) documentation, JSON:API, and client libraries, before ending with a collaborative twist that Aaron didn't realize he was participating in.

Aaron and Andrew reunite to unpack our recent conference experiences, Aaron's at Full Stack Europe in Antwerp, Belgium and Andrew's organizing The Rails SaaS Conference in Los Angeles, California. We also discuss Aaron's feature in GitHub's The ReadME Project and getting retweeted by Microsoft.

We're joined by a React legend to learn more about Remix and his journey from fan to co-founder and their journey from commercial offering to open-source. We talk about his personal mission to "help people make the world a better place through quality software" and his personal brand. We also discuss The Network Chasm and what it means to be "center stack." Karaoke comes up.

As mentioned in the last episode, we're sharing in our feed the RailsConf Podcast Panel where Andrew represented Framework Friends. If you're interested in some insider discussion from the Rails community, enjoy! Otherwise, stay tuned for a new episode of Framework Friends later this week!

After a short recap of our experience at RailsConf in Portland, Aaron asks Andrew for the full scoop on The Rails SaaS Conference in Los Angeles this October, which sold out shortly after being announced.

Joined by our first guest, we learn more about Phoenix and the legendary LiveView from their creator. We also chat about Chris' journey from Ruby to Elixir, the support he receives from Fly.io, and their deployment product. We also stumble into some hot takes.

We talk about Stripe Capital and Tuple's $200K experiment and do a deep dive talking about Laravel Nova 4.0, reflecting on the paid add-on business model within open-source and the importance of developer experience.

We debrief about Sin City Ruby and Aaron asks Andrew questions about the technical, product, and business details of the announcement that Bullet Train is now available as an open-source Rails-based framework with a paid "Pro" tier, while also sharing insights from earlier, similar developments in the Laravel product line.