Long-time agency owners Sue Grabowski and Matt Bailey have a conversation about the work they love. Having owned agencies for more than a decade, they've made mistakes and would change a lot of things.

But, what's the one thing neither would change? Going out on their own.

So, what does a first time entrepreneur need to know about starting a business and marketing? How about learning to manage what you love instead of actually doing what you love?

Sit back with a cup of coffee and listen in. Just a word of warning, you might need to get a few refills in this extended-length conversation!

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