Bill Deresiewicz is a former Yale professor who wrote a book about the failures of the elite education institutions in the West called Excellent Sheep: The Miseducation of the American elite and the way to a meaningful life.

In this podcast, Þórarinn speaks with Bill about how he perceives the problem today, who are these excellent sheep, the grade-inflation, wokeism and its implications on free speech and censorship, classism, and more.