Jordan is joined by cartoonist, graphic designer, and RPG maker, Norman Rafferty (@normanrafferty), to talk about CEREBUS THE AARDVARK creator, Dave Sim. Dave Sim is yet another controversial cartoonist, who both changed the comics publishing industry and also ran their legacy into the ground! Norman also gives us a look into his cartooning career and explains the challenges comics creators typically face in the industry. Follow @drawingcontroversyon IG and @drawingcontrov on Twitter. Email [email protected] RELATED WORKS: Norman’s DEVIANT ART Profile: https://www.deviantart.com/rafferty Sanguine Games’ Official Website: https://www.sanguinegames.com/ Episode 3 with Bitter Karella on Tatsuya Ishida & SINFEST (https://tinyurl.com/5xv7azc7) ASSORTED LINKS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebus_the_Aardvark https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creator%27s_Bill_of_Rights https://emmatinker.oxalto.co.uk/thesis/ http://www.theabsolute.net/misogyny/sim.html#texts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comicsgate https://bleedingcool.com/comics/dave-sims-cerebus-asks-stop-dragging-my-gender-identity-around/ https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/41132-comicsgate-explained-bigots-milkshake-marvel-dc-gamergate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVQccJ5Hidw&ab_channel=ComicTropes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e0okB5imP4&ab_channel=StrangeBrainParts https://momentofcerebus.blogspot.com/2012/01/wolveroach.html https://literatemachine.com/2020/08/28/cerebus-misogyny-and-madness/ https://comicsalliance.com/tribute-dave-sim/

Did you first hear about the Church of Scientology, body thetans, and Evil Galactic Lord Xenu, when you saw the SOUTH PARK episode, “Trapped in the Closet”? Did you ever wonder just who provided the SOUTH PARK creators, Trey Parker and Matt Stone, with first-hand knowledge of what the Church of Scientology is really like? Well, that man is journalist, Mark Ebner and he’s this episode’s guest! Mark gives the inside scoop on what it’s like to be a Scientologist and how he became an integral part of one of SOUTH PARK’s greatest episodes. He also looks back on the Church’s reaction to SOUTH PARK and overall impact of the episode. Order Mark’s new book on Jerry Fallwell Jr. here! Mark’s website here. Follow @drawingcontroversyon IG and @drawingcontrov on Twitter. Email [email protected] WORKS CITED / RELATED WORKS: Mark’s SPY Magazine Article on Infiltrating Scientology Article Detailing Scientology’s Attacks on Mark  2006 Article on Isaac Hayes Exiting SOUTH PARK. See here also. Article Detailing Scientology’s Failed Counter-Offensive on SOUTH PARK. See here also. Tony Ortega’s Article on How Tom Cruise’s Behavior Encouraged More Scientology Journalism Mark’s article on Paris Hilton Solving a Crime That Tom Cruise Video! Jenna Miscavige Hill on the SOUTH PARK episode

Jordan is joined by podcaster, comedian, and writer, Jamie Loftus, to get insight on Jamie’s 2021 podcast mini-series, AACK Cast! The two discuss the cultural significance of the comic strip, CATHY, the politics of different waves of feminism, and the overall history of women in comics. Jamie also shares what she personally learned from interviewing the creator of CATHY, Cathy Guisewite, as well as what she has against Forky from Toy Story 4. Follow @drawingcontroversyon IG and @drawingcontrov on Twitter. Email [email protected] Jamie’s website: http://www.jamieloftus.xyz/ Twitter: @jamieloftusHELP The AACK Cast! (Recommended Listening if you enjoyed this podcast): https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-aack-cast-by-jamie-loftus-83922273/ Jamie’s mini-series, GHOST CHURCH: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-ghost-church-by-jamie-lof-95721611/ WORKS CITED: · MAD MAGAZINE MODERN COMICS (see DRAWING CONTROVERSY’s Twitter or IG story to see the images referenced) [7:55] · Cathy Guisewite trade photo (https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/photos/cathy-guisewite) [15:55] · CRACKED article detailing BLONDIE’s early history (https://www.cracked.com/article_19199_7-bizarre-early-versions-famous-cartoon-characters.html) [32:00] · TRADE AD PROMOTING CATHY AND LYNN JOHNSTON (https://tinyurl.com/5n7vk8ps)   [37:00] · See this Article Here Too: https://www.hoganmag.com/blog/cathy-guisewite-the-goodbye-girl  AND https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/the-feminist-paradox-of-cathy-guisewite.html · Mr. Pinkly invites himself to Cathy's place strip: https://tinyurl.com/yckxbmbc [50:00} · Link containing DUKAKIS Strips and other related CATHY Comics: https://phoebecohen.medium.com/justice-for-cathy-the-most-feminist-comic-strip-of-the-80s-and-90s-5f5ec8f4124c and https://www.tcj.com/on-hating-cathy/ and https://sundaycomicsdebt.blogspot.com/2010/08/cathy-gets-wise.html 

Keith Knight (cartoonist behind The Knight Life, K Chronicles, (Th)ink, and Father O'Flannity's Hot Tub Confessions) joins Jordan to provide an inside look at several years' worth of his comics, as well as the inner-workings of his two season Hulu TV show, WOKE. Keith also shares his insights on Civil Rights history, life inside prisons, and his Black Mugshots project.  Follow @drawingcontroversyon IG and @drawingcontrov on Twitter. Email [email protected] Follow Keith at @keefknight on Twitter and @iamkeithknight on IG Keith's Web-store (https://keithknight.bigcartel.com/)  WORKS CITED: Best of Keith's work from the Mad Magazine "Strip Club" (https://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2012/03/12/the-mad-strip-club-%E2%80%94-father-oflannity-donald-trump, https://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2012/10/22/the-mad-strip-club-father-oflannity-kanye-west) [5:00] Famed Photo of Civil Rights Icon/Little Rock Nine student, Elizabeth Eckford, and article on her legacy (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2007/09/littlerock200709) [32:50] NPR article on WOKE (https://www.npr.org/2020/09/08/909707072/in-woke-cartoonist-keith-knight-drew-from-a-real-life-wake-up-call)  Controversial "race card" comic (https://neighborhoodview.org/2020/08/27/keep-drawing-keep-thinking-the-keith-knight-story/) and Obama voter comic (https://www.comicsbeat.com/keith-knight-cartoon-causes-kerfluffle-in-jersey/) [42:00-43:00] Keith's Slideshow Comic (https://kchronicles.com/lectures.html)  Collection of Keith's race-politics cartoons (https://theworld.org/stories/2016-10-03/keith-knights-cartoons-get-heart-us-conversation-race)  Nikole Hannah Jones denied tenure story (https://www.npr.org/2021/07/06/1013315775/after-tenure-controversy-nikole-hannah-jones-will-join-howard-faculty-instead-of) [44:00] Article Explaining Ilya Shapiro controversy (https://www.readtpa.com/p/ilya-shapiro) [45:00] Most comprehensive statistics report on prisoners and incarceration (https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2022.html) The Dangers of Mugshots (https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/racist-police-practices-mug-shots-normalize-criminalization-black-americans-ncna1235694) Info on Riker's Island (https://www.pbs.org/wnet/rikers/incarceration-faq/). See here too (https://www.vera.org/its-a-torture-chamber#:~:text=The%20notorious%20jail%20complex%20Rikers,as%20they%20wait%20for%20trial.) Utah's new mugshot law (https://www.standard.net/news/government/2021/feb/05/utah-lawmakers-pass-bill-to-prohibit-mugshot-distribution-until-after-conviction/) Uvalde "Far Side" Parody strip (https://kchronicles.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/2022-07-18_uvalde.gif) [58:00]

Barry Deutsch RETURNS with fellow cartoonist, Becky Hawkins, to explain how their collaborative Lefty Cartoons get made. Becky also shares her career story and the personal experiences influence her work. Jordan's last interview w/ Barry is here. Follow @drawingcontroversyon IG and @drawingcontrov on Twitter. Email [email protected] COMICS CITED (With Timecodes): Backseat DREAMer Cartoon (//shorturl.at/qrsW6) [6:00] A Cartoonist Self-Portrait Manifesto (//shorturl.at/abhkn) [8:58] The TriHeads Vs The Squareheads (//shorturl.at/fhpvw) [14:40] What Kind of People Sexualize Children (//shorturl.at/boqX8) [14:45 and 16:14 and 45:58] Real America VS Coastal Elites Cartoon (https://tinyurl.com/msmmfd6c) [22:15] Doing Too Little Vs Helping Too Many (https://tinyurl.com/yjzmft8z) [22:56] We Must Protect Their Delicate Feelings (https://tinyurl.com/4b8rh5km) [26:50]  See the "Making Of" Google Chat Transcript for this Strip: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qcbvVldE5zpzq8dtNWpRQzW-v7aLr9w6zhKFqwrIyak/edit Centrists (https://tinyurl.com/mrstr9fy) [27:00]  Feminism Used to be Good (https://tinyurl.com/mrstr9fy) [31:46] The Wage Gap and How Much Women Work  (https://tinyurl.com/9dbac58a) [32:00] People Grow Old, Excuses Live Forever (https://tinyurl.com/2uc783rj) [32:00] We Me Musn’t Ruin His Life (https://tinyurl.com/v5d43khd) [35:45] There’s Never Been a Worse Time For Free Speech (https://tinyurl.com/ytat37m4) [36:14] I’ve Got Nothing Against Trans People, But… (https://tinyurl.com/4pua94vs) [38:50] Think of the Children (https://leftycartoons.com/?s=think+of+the+children) [41:36] The Secret Home Lives of Teachers (https://www.patreon.com/posts/secret-home-of-69576241) [43:00] Things to Stop Saying to Autistic People (https://tinyurl.com/9dbac58a) [46:38]  White People but with Subtitles (//shorturl.at/bCSW3) [46:54]  Barry’s collaborations with Becky (https://leftycartoons.com/category/becky-hawkins-collaborations/) Barry and Becky’s Work: Barry’s Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/barry) Super Butch Comic: https://superbutchcomic.com/ Becky’s French Toast Comix (http://frenchtoastcomix.com/) WORKS CITED: Hans Asperger’s Disturbing ties to the Nazis (//shorturl.at/intW3) The Horrors of Autism Speaks (//shorturl.at/bnqy7) Red Flags of Autism Therapy (//shorturl.at/abS) Autistic Mama on ABA (https://autisticmama.com/big-deal-aba-therapy/) No, Gluten is not the cause of Autism. (//shorturl.at/fHSV0)

Cartoonist Barry Deutsch (Lefty Cartoons, Hereville) joins Jordan to reflect on his cartooning career and explain what it's like to make political cartoonists for leftists. NOTE: See below for the links to the specific cartoons commented on in this podcast. The approximate timecode is also listed. NEXT EPISODE: Barry returns with his collaborator, Becky Hawkins! Follow Barry Deutsch on Twitter (https://twitter.com/barrydeutsch) and Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/barry).  Follow @drawingcontroversyon IG and @drawingcontrov on Twitter.  Email [email protected]  WORKS CITED: Lefty Cartoons Website: https://leftycartoons.com/ Hereville Link: https://www.amazon.com/Books-Barry-Deutsch/s?rh=n%3A283155%2Cp_27%3ABarry+Deutsch White People, but with Subtitles (9:00 and 12:30) [https://www.patreon.com/posts/white-people-but-49460985] Are You Genuinely Poor  (14:15) [https://leftycartoons.com/2020/09/03/are-you-genuinely-poor/]  The Triheads Vs. The Squareheads (14:15) [https://www.patreon.com/posts/triheads-vs-or-45462199] Dear Some of My Fellow Lefties (21:55) [https://leftycartoons.com/2019/03/26/dear-some-of-my-fellow-lefties/] How Hard is it to Get Voter ID? (25:22) [https://leftycartoons.com/2022/05/09/how-could-it-be-hard-to-get-voter-i-d/] Neckbeard (27:40) [https://leftycartoons.com/?s=neckbeard] What Kind of People Sexualize Children (36:10) [https://www.patreon.com/posts/what-kind-of-43352319] Nobody Back Then Knew Slavery Was Wrong (39:00) [https://www.patreon.com/posts/nobody-back-then-62704415] Back Then, No One Knew Blackface Was Offensive (39:00) [https://leftycartoons.com/2019/10/06/back-then-no-one-knew-blackface-is-offensive/]

Jordan interviews cartoonist, text-game designer, and “Twitter gadfly” Bitter Karella (@BitterKarella) to talk about her detailed 2022 Twitter Thread (https://twitter.com/bitterkarella/status/1498104642881798149?lang=en) on the once beloved webcomic SINFEST. Karella explains the history of transphobia, anti-sex work, and anti-feminist rhetoric from SINFEST creator, Tatsuya Ishidia, leading the two discuss what this teaches us about real-world bigotry. Follow @drawingcontroversy on IG. @drawingcontrov on Twitter. Email [email protected] Works Cited: Bitter Karella’s website (https://bitterkarella.itch.io/) Karella’s Podcast: A Special Presentation, or Alf Will Not Be Seen Tonight (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-special-presentation-or-alf-will-not-be-seen-tonight/id1480156464) Karella’s original Twitter thread, detailing the 20 year history of SINFEST (https://twitter.com/bitterkarella/status/1498104642881798149?lang=en)  SATANIC PANIC – a play-through of Karella’s game (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1dlAh2Pn08) This Tweet from Karella includes several “ironic racism” bits mentioned (https://twitter.com/bitterkarella/status/1498109422110789634) This Tweet features THE MATRIARCHY comic (https://twitter.com/bitterkarella/status/1498175209802657795) Reddit post on the revolt of SINFEST’s fans (https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/mikr86/webcomics_i_would_rather_die_a_thousand_deaths/)

For a special DRAWING CONTROVERSY encore episode, Jordan is joined by film critic, Luke Y. Thompson, to make sense of MTV’s idiotic, destructive, and yet somehow lovable duo, Beavis and Butt-Head. Topics of discussion include the origins of Beavis and Butt-Head, the real-life outrage the cartoon generated, the related works of Mike Judge (B&B’s creator), and the strange way these two relics of 1990s culture have aged. Jordan and Luke also review the 2022 film, Beavis and Butthead Do the Universe, and ponder the new Paramount+ revival series. Find Luke (@lytrules) on IG and Twitter. Links to his written works are here (https://linktr.ee/lytrules).  See Luke’s review of Do the Universe for The AV Club here (https://www.avclub.com/beavis-and-butt-head-do-the-universe-aims-low-scores-h-1849090871) as well as his 2017 review of the Beavis and Butt-Head Complete DVD Collection (https://archive.nerdist.com/beavis-and-butt-heads-complete-collection-dvd-review/).  Follow @drawingcontroversyon IG. @drawingcontrov on Twitter. Email [email protected] WORKS CITED: Interview with Mike Judge on the BASIC podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mike-judge/id1623608445?i=1000567353712 No, Idiocracy was not a Documentary by Sarah Z: https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=o52zD-aGqjA&skip_registered_account_check=true Great retrospective from guy who watched every episode of Beavis & Butt-Head: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBALHnKU_OY https://www.nytimes.com/1994/02/10/nyregion/youth-is-held-in-death-from-bowling-ball.html?pagewanted=all https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-10-14-ca-45776-story.html https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/features/beavis-and-butthead-25th-anniversary-mike-judge-mtv-tv-comedy-animation-offence-a8243906.html https://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/10/us/cartoon-on-mtv-blamed-for-fire.html https://consequence.net/2022/06/beavis-butt-head-music-videos-paramount-plus/ https://www.avclub.com/steve-o-says-the-early-years-of-jackass-were-a-bad-inf-1849104982 https://collider.com/mike-judge-new-beavis-and-butt-head-series-idiocracy-interview-sdcc/

POORLY DRAWN LINE’s creator, Reza Farazmand, joins Jordan for the debut of DRAWING CONTROVERSY. In just 30 minutes, Reza recounts his experience as a cartoonist for both his high school and college newspapers, the development of his webcomic, POORLY DRAWN LINES, and the process of bringing PDL to TV. POORLY DRAWN LINE’s website: https://poorlydrawnlines.com/ PDL’s 2016 April Fool’s Comic: https://poorlydrawnlines.com/comic/fool/  My personal favorite PDL: https://poorlydrawnlines.com/comic/sit-around/ PDL’s Webstore: https://poorlydrawnstore.com/ Find Reza on IG: @poorlydrawnlinesand @reza_draws Find POORLY DRAWN LINES on Twitter: https://twitter.com/PDLComics/  Follow @drawingcontroversyon IG. @drawingcontrov on Twitter. Email [email protected]

Coming Soon: Drawing Controversy - the podcast that interviews cartoonists, cartoon experts, and those who understand the subversive and contentious nature of cartoons best. Hosted by Jordan LHH. Follow on Social Media Instagram: @drawingcontroversy Twitter: @drawingcontrov Email: [email protected]