One of the things we've done in the past couple of years is run a program called Understanding Whiteness. The thing is, we each ran one separately—Greg ran one for men and Shannon for women and those socialized females. In this episode, we wanted to share a bit about how it was we came to run those programs, as well as why we did them as we did. We explore a few our learnings and continue some of our inquiry about what it means to be in anti-racism work as white-bodied folks.