Shadow IT has been responsible for more enterprise SaaS deployments and workflow innovation that any growth strategy we've seen in the last 15 years. .

And that 's all about to end.

Today we sit down with Yasu Matsumoto, who stepped down as CEO of Raksul after leading them from founding to post-IPO success, to start Josys, a new startup helping enterprises put an end to shadow IT once and for all.

Yasu explains why that the end of shadow IT is actually a good thing for everyone, why he decided to step down from his high-profile CEO role, and the future of SaaS sales and marketing.

It's a great conversation, and I think you'll enjoy it.