In this episode David’s guest is the fantastic Francesca Irving, tech entrepreneur, digital marketing consultant and all round legend.David and Fran discuss their journeys in business, their own marketing agencies, opportunities in digital marketing, saying no in order to grow, new tech startup Swapp Skills she co-founded and more.David Pell is from Defy Agency, a marketing agency located near Cardiff in South Wales, UK.https://www.letsdefy.com

In this episode David’s guest is the legend that is Jon Saunders, entrepreneur, consultant, hospitality guru and ironman athlete extraordinaire.Renowned  for his enthusiastic manner, his no nonsense approach and as the man who brought an incredible portfolio of award-winning hospitality venues to Wales’ Capital City - Cardiff – comprising the Dead Canary, Ten Mill Lane and 29 Park Place.David and Jon discuss their journeys in business, their own award-winning hospitality venues, what's next for the industry in the UK following the devastating impact of the Covid-19 as well as useful advice for those  in business.David Pell is from Defy Agency, a marketing agency located near Cardiff in South Wales, UK.https://www.letsdefy.com