When I first started listening to this podcast I almost quit 10 minutes into it. Given the freeform nature of the dialogue there are a lot of “ums” and “uhs”. It was off putting at first, but I kept listening. That’s my only criticism. I listen to many different cyber security podcasts and this is now one of my favorites. You can watch these podcasts on YouTube, but I prefer to listen to them here. The question and answer format with the two hosts is nice and the technical information is really good. I highly recommend giving this podcast a chance.