Our first in a series of interviews supported by the Ford Foundation, Jillian speaks with Kene Esom who until very recently was the Director of AMSHeR, African Men for Sexual Health and Rights. Kene is a Barrister-at-Law advocating for marginalised communities including unaccompanied/separated children, refugees and asylum seekers, survivours of sexual and gender-based violence, and sexual minorities on the African continent. Jillian and Kene discuss the concepts of othering and being "queer", intersectionalities and privilege, and the roles of religion, culture and social justice towards a more equitable and empathetic world.