and “In him we live and move and have our being” from Acts 17:28.  I argued that God’s creation and providence, including permission and concurrence, were sufficient to understand these text.  Turretinfan disconcurred and viewed concurrence as an evasion of Paul’s language, which he took to be God’s causal sufficiency for all things. We had an interesting exchange as to whether the “in” from Acts 17:28 was about location and therefore God’s omnipresence or instrumentality and therefore God’s causality.