No slinging mud. Just a thoughtful and open exchange of ideas from both sides. One stop shop for the intersection of two giants in education reform. Every episode has jewels. Although my views align with my Uncle Pedro Noguera, Dr. Hess helps me understand the opposing or alternative perspective and I feel like I’m stepping out of the echo chamber we so often wander into.

Being able to listen to informative, honest discussions about things that matter is a huge resource to the next generation of educators. Keep up the good fight, gentlemen!

Listening to Rick and Pedro discuss education feels like sitting in on a conversation between two friends. It’s interesting to hear how they balance talking through their opposing views and places of agreement.

It’s really nice to see people coming together to discuss the important things: how to make schools better places for our kids. Rick and Pedro’s banter makes this a fun way to learn a thing or two about education.