In episode 20, I sat down with <a href= "https://www.linkedin.com/in/nvandenberghe/">Nicolas Vandenberghe</a>, Co-founder and CEO of <a href= "https://www.chilipiper.com/">Chili Piper</a>.  During our conversation, we discussed:   <ul> <li>The advice Steve Jobs gave Nicola back in the 90s.</li> </ul>   <ul> <li>How Chili Piper is not only weathering the COVID-19 storm but thriving as a result of it.</li> </ul>   <ul> <li>The one thing that Nicola believes that most around him don't.</li> </ul>   Enjoy!   P.S. Before you go please leave a review on Apple Podcasts 🙂 🙏🏻

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Scaling B2B SaaS companies from $1M to $10M and beyond is hard. Built to Scale is a podcast dedicated to the journey.