
Hey, Mark here with a quick update about this evergreen interview series and my other podcast, The Podcast Accelerator (https://www.markasquith.com/listen).
Nov 29, 2021
1 min

“Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.”
We’ve all heard that expression, haven’t we? And it’s a great saying when it comes to the benefits of education and passing on the skills that have served you well. As entrepreneurs we want to help people, solve problems and pass on our knowledge, but there are times when we have to forget this phrase and just give people the fish. Let me explain.
Let’s say you’ve been having trouble with your car and you take it in to the garage to find out the problem. The mechanic has a look, a quick tinker under the bonnet, and then he hands you an overall and a spanner. Time for you to learn a little bit about car maintenance! You wouldn’t know what to think, would you? Sometimes we just want the fish and we’re happy to pay someone with more knowledge than us to help us out.
In the world of web, design and digital, it’s easy to think that our audience will share our enthusiasm for how things work and products and services that we find innovative. However, what you might find interesting, others may not. Therefore, when thinking of building a business around something, we need to keep in mind the audience, because there’s a risk of spending time, money, and energy on something that there is no market for. The idea that you have may solve a problem, but is it a problem that people are willing to pay to have solved; does it have broad enough appeal?
We need to understand their particular pain points and which of your services that they will value. Don’t start off by giving them your tools, give them an end to end experience of how your services could make them and their customers feel. Don’t start the other way around. If they want to know more about your tools and processes, then great, that’s something that you can discuss afterwards. Always show off the very best of your business with an end to end demonstration of how your service could solve clients’ particular problems.
A great example of this approach is Apple. The whole experience, from walking into the Apple Store to using your new MacBook for the first time, is a prime example of being given the fish. You don’t need to think about which graphics card, processor or operating system you want. You simply buy the computer and turn it on. Building a new PC, on the other hand, can feel like a lesson in big game fishing that not everyone wants or needs. The vast majority of people want a computer that allows them to do what they want with the minimum of fuss.
When dealing with clients, remember that while some people want to learn how things are done, most people just want to be given the fish!
Issue Challenged in this Small Business Podcast:
Which is the right approach with clients?
Actionable Tips:
* Ask customers what they really want. Let them tell you about their problems rather than pitching to them. Most people will say your idea is great just to be nice and not to hurt your feelings. Letting them discuss their specific problems is so much more valuable because you can then set out to provide tailored solutions. Ask as many people as you can so you can to start spotted trends.
* Learn whether they are willing to pay for it. You audience may complain about a particular problem, but is it big enough of a problem for them to actually pay for it?
* Give them the fish! Don’t try and teach anyone, don’t consult them on it, just give them the solution that will solve the problem that they are experiencing. Teach them how to use the solution, make the most of the solution but not how to build the solution.
Top Quotes:
* “We pay for convenience, we pay for value: we pay to be given the fish.”
* “We find an idea and we stick on it without talking to people and we end up...
Mar 17, 2016
29 min

The growth of the tech startup scene over the last decade has brought the idea of the pivot to the attention of entrepreneurs worldwide. A company pivots when it moves from one business model to another. Uber, YouTube and Twitter are just a few of the big names that came about when their creators pivoted from their original ideas. The reasons behind why companies pivot are varied and unique to each original business and it can be a tough process as I have recently found out through personal experience.
If you’ve been following the podcast and my Startup Diaries, you’ll know that I’m currently on the Ignite accelerator program with Adam and our app, Cavalry. Well, Calvary has been shelved for the time being. After a lot of soul searching, it was decided that we wouldn’t be able to get the most out of the 14 week Ignite experience with a service that required us to build a double-sided marketplace, one of the toughest business models out there. This left us with three choices. Go home, create something new in the same space as Cavalry or come up with something completely new. Going home and wasting a fantastic opportunity was never on the cards and creating something new in the same space meant that some of the same issues would be still be present. Therefore, we’ve pivoted and created something new and exciting in hardly any time at all that has not only reinvigorated us but has also received great feedback from the Ignite mentors.
And that is a huge relief, because the idea of pivoting a business can be difficult to wrangle with. Firstly, it’s easy to think that you’ve somehow failed and it can be difficult discussing the pivot with others as you think they might judge. They won’t, of course, but it can be hard to quiet your own mind which is often more critical of you than anyone else in the world. A pivot is a positive reaction to something that wasn’t right. A failure might be walking headfirst into something that you knew wasn’t right, but it’s certainly not making a positive change based on new information.
It’s also easy to think of your idea that’s not working at the moment as rubbish, as something that will never work. It’s easy to think that but it’s not true. You’ve put a hell of a lot of work into that idea and it may not be right at this moment in time, but there’s no need to destroy all your hard work and bin your idea. Put your idea on a shelf and keep it ready for when the time is right. If you thought it was a good idea at some point, then it’s a good idea, wait for conditions to change.
A pivot can be tricky and it can feel a little painful, but it needn’t. It’s a sensible, positive change in direction based on validated learning and new feedback. Onwards and upwards!
Issue Challenged in this Small Business Podcast:
How can I deal emotionally with pivoting my business?
Actionable Tips:
* Don’t judge yourself or be afraid of telling people that you are pivoting. A pivot is not in any way a failure. A pivot is a change in direction based on validated learning and feedback. It’s a positive reaction and something that you should do if things aren’t right.
* Don’t destroy your idea. Perhaps the time isn’t right for your idea at the moment, but if you place it on a shelf, it will be ready for you when the time is right. Don’t destroy your idea because you can’t see it working. You may run into an opportunity or a person that give the idea new life. When that time comes, you will be ready to go.
* A pivot is a huge learning curve. Pivoting your business can give you some of the most valuable business knowledge that you will ever receive. After you’ve pivoted, take some time out to record all of your thoughts and experiences about the process. This will allow you to get everything out and realize that a pivot is in no way a failure. Secondly,
Mar 10, 2016
25 min

Taking out a loan can be daunting process. Whether it’s a mortgage for your first home or a new car, there are a lot of details to keep in mind when looking for the best possible financing option. When applying for a loan for your small business, it can be even more confusing. You may only need the loan for a short time or you might work alongside partners which can further complicate matters. Joining us on this episode of Excellence Expected is David Waring, who is going to offer his expertise of this very important small business topic and tell us what we should look for when considering finance and what we should avoid.
One of the main issues when small business owners start looking for a loan is that most of us don’t know the best type of financing for our businesses. There are so many different providers, all with different terms. What’s more, new financing avenues are becoming popular. Peer-to-peer lending has grown in popularity in recent years alongside the growth of the internet and this democratization of finance of seen many new providers enter the market. With so much information to consider, applying for a loan can seem like a minefield. David’s advice is to plan ahead as best you can. If you can give yourself more time to consider all of the different options, you’ll be able to do more homework on various deals and hopefully find the best financing option for your business.
You’ll also be able to make sure that your finances are in order, which can give you a better chance of getting a better deal. Of course, that’s not always possible and there are always going to be times when we are caught off-guard by life and business. Bear in mind though that the faster that you need money, the more that you will have to pay for it.
Financing can be a complicated and stressful process so David’s overarching advice is to do your research, take your time and plan ahead! You need to research the cost of the loan thoroughly so that you know the true cost of what you’re getting into. Know the payment terms and make sure that you can pay the loan back early if that’s what you want to do. Keep your financial records up-to-date and your taxes in good shape. This makes your business a much more attractive prospect to lend to. Finally, plan ahead if at all possible! Maybe you don’t need any financing right now, but perhaps you can envisage some growth or some expenses in the next six months. Get the ball rolling as the best value loans often take the longest to apply for.
Issue Challenged in this Small Business Podcast:
How can I find the best loan for my business?
About David:
David Waring is the founder and Editor-in-Chief of Fit Small Business and Fit Biz Loans. He has a wealth of experience in small business management and marketing. David’s site helps more than 300,000 small business owners every month cut through all the jargon and get right to the important information. The site includes in-depth articles, reviews and how-to guides about almost every small business topic. Fit Biz Loans offers excellent advice to small business owners as well as low rate business loans.
Actionable Tips:
* Know the cost in terms of APR and total amount before taking out a loan. This is the single most important aspect to consider when it comes to small business financing. It can be easy to dive into something in times of need but you can end up tying yourself up in knots for the next decade or more!
* Make sure you have your finances in order before applying for a loan. If there is money coming into your business that is not on your tax return, then the banks or financing providers will not take it into consideration when assessing your suitability for a loan. Your taxes should be done and you should have an up to date balance sheet to show that your business is in good financial health
Feb 29, 2016
28 min

What processes have you got in place in your small business? If there’s just yourself or a couple of others, it might not seem like you need any. After all, you know what you’re doing and you know who you’ve been dealing with recently. But, what happens if one you is stuck at home for a few days with the flu? Will you know which clients your sick colleague has been working with? What happens if you take on more staff? Will they just learn how things work, bad habits and all, from those already there?
These questions will probably ring a bell with a lot of people out there who are running their own small business. When you think of processes, you probably think of business giants like Amazon, with their staff scurrying around the warehouse with a set route and schedule. However, processes can be a benefit to anyone in business, regardless of the size of their company. Going through each process in your day and noting down the steps can be a bit of a chore, but the benefits are massive.
Firstly, you take all of that information from your mind and get it down on paper so if you’re ill or away, anybody at your company can step in and take care of the majority of tasks.
Secondly, it shows you where your inefficiencies are and allows you to address them.
When you’re working on autopilot, you’re not conscious of how things could be improved. By focusing on the process and writing it up in a ‘user manual’ style, you are thinking about things in a new way. You’ll realize that ‘that’s just how things are’ is not actually the case.
A third great benefit of creating a ‘user manual’ type document for your business is how it can be used to help new members of staff.
Say you have a new employee – they’re young and eager but a little bit nervous about working in a new environment. Giving them the manual and explaining the importance of processes could have a great impact on them. They’ll be able to complete quite complex tasks just by following the process and their competence, and confidence, will grow.
Having a process gets a huge amount of buy-in from staff.
Joining us on this episode of Excellence Expected is Super Joe Pardo who has extensive experience of implementing, maintaining and improving processes from his time as part of his family’s multi-million dollar auto parts business.
He’s going to walk us through how he identified processes that needed to be changed, how he changed them and how he dealt with resistance from people who were less than eager to change their ways.
He’ll also be leaving us with three actionable tips that you can implement in your small business today.
Issue Challenged in this Small Business Podcast:
How can I create specific processes in my company that will help me to excel?
About Joe:
Joe Pardo is a podcaster, author, motivational speaker and business coach. His motivational Dreamers Podcast has helped countless people pursue their dreams and embrace bright futures. Prior to all of his current activities, Joe was part of his family’s multi-million dollar business and he’s going to discuss with us the things he has learned about processes and what they can do for a business.
Actionable Tips:
* Identify inefficiencies. Analyse your business and its processes and work out how you could do things better, more efficiently and more economically. You need to be frank with yourself and your staff but by changing things up, you will make things better for the business and improve the working environment.
* Be fearless, put a plan into action and make adjustments as needed. You need some courage to put a new plan in place but at the same time you need to be willing to modify it as you’re going along. Being flexible and learning from feedback will help you optimize your...
Feb 4, 2016
1 hr 2 min

As entrepreneurs, we’re always on the lookout for additional revenue streams to bolster our main sources of income. In the early days, it may be through necessity as we’re trying to raise funds for our small businesses, but whatever stage we’re at, it’s always good to have different ways of bringing in cash. If these secondary income sources can generate revenue passively then even better! There are many ways that we can go about this and each method has its own positives, negatives and levels of relevance to our lives. Of all the possible ways to generate secondary income, perhaps one you haven’t thought of is vending machines.
I know what you might be thinking. Vending machines are big, expensive and require a lot of maintenance. That doesn’t really sound that passive. It sounds like there would be a big initial investment of money and an ongoing investment of time. Our guest on this episode of Excellence Expected, Matt Miller, says that this needn’t be the case. The big electric drink and snacks machines can be expensive and time consuming to maintain, but mechanical vending machines can be relatively cheap, low maintenance and profitable. You may have seen them vending everything from toys and temporary tattoos in arcades to travel toothbrushes and mints at motorway services.
Can there really me good margins in such simple vending machines? Well, according to Matt, there certainly can be. He has built a multimillion dollar business in the vending industry over the last nine years and he has raised millions for schools across America in the process.
On this episode of your favourite small business podcast, Matt is going to talk us through his journey and what gave him the idea to try vending for himself. He’s also going to discuss some of the basics of the industry as well as leave us with his actionable tips for how we could follow his lead and make vending a low-impact, high-profit secondary revenue stream. Not only that, but he’s also going to be giving away his e-book on the subject so you can research if vending can work for you.
Issue Challenged in this Small Business Podcast:
How can I create a secondary income from vending?
About Matt:
Matt Miller was formerly a pilot in the US Air Force but he always had dreams of starting his own business. A chance conversation about gumball machines lead him down a path he hadn’t expected and soon Matt and his company, School Spirit Vending, were at the forefront of the vending industry in his area.
Matt’s company has grown into a multimillion dollar endeavour that has helped raise millions of dollars for schools all across America. He’s with us on this episode of the number one small business podcast to talk about his journey and how vending machines can be used to create secondary revenue streams.
Actionable Tips:
* Learn about vending. There are lots of different types of vending machines so you should do some research to find the right type of vending for you.
* Start small. Take a small risk that you can afford at first. Maybe buy some used equipment to test the markets and to learn the ropes. If all goes well and you’ve proven the concept in your market, you can then spend more money on the right equipment.
* Begin prospecting immediately. Head out and work out where your locations are going to be and who you’re going to be working with. You can have your first location all lined up before you even have any equipment. Don’t get stuck in research mode.
Top Quotes:
* “I knew I was a lot better than the situation I was in so I didn’t get down on me, I got down on the situation and got busy trying to figure out how to get out of it.”
* “I was looking to a quarter to solve my problems and most people don’t see real money in a quarter.”
Jan 18, 2016
29 min

There may come a time when you feel it is the right time to sell your business and move on. Perhaps you’ve got a new project in mind, fancy a change of location or have some personal matters to focus on. Whatever the reason may be, you want to make sure that you are able to get the best possible return on all the hard work you’ve put in to build up the business.
Joining us on this episode of your favourite small business podcast is Ace Chapman, who has bought and sold more than 40 different businesses over the years. Ace is going to share with us what is needed to prepare a business for sale and what to do to ensure the best return for the countless hours of blood, sweat and tears that you’ve put in.
For a lot of small enterprises, the owner is the business, meaning that the success of the business is down to the personal service of the owner and the relationships that they have built with customers are key to continued success. This is great when you are growing your own business, but when you come to sell that business, it can be seen as a negative, as buyers will be wary that a lot of regular custom could fade away after the owner leaves. In order to combat this if you’re thinking of selling, it’s a good idea to productize as many of your services as possible. That’s not to say that you need to be more distant from your valued customers, but it’s good to show potential buyers that there is a system that they will be able to continue to use to give the customers the same great experience.
Taking this one step further, an operational manual that outlines all of your processes and systems is a truly valuable resource. Think of franchises. The reason that they are often expensive in the beginning is because they come with a detailed manual of how to carry out every single process in that business. With this manual, the new owners of a franchise have a much better chance of success and will make back their money in the long run as they are able to follow the steps to provide customers with the experience that they have become accustomed to. You can do the same for your business if you decide to sell. This kind of manual is still valuable if you’re not thinking of selling right now as it allows you to see your processes laid out on paper and see if there is anywhere you could improve.
It’s better to see this manual as an ongoing project rather than something to cobble together in a hurry when you want or need to sell the business. It can point you toward areas in need of improvement and instead of throwing ideas at potential buyers of how they could improve the business, you can take your time, implement improvements yourself and then be in a better position to ask for a higher price when those changes take effect.
Of course, this all depends on the reasons why you are thinking of selling up. Unfortunately in life there are always things that we can’t plan for, but if you are thinking about selling and don’t have financial or family pressures, give yourself a little time to map out your processes, implement some changes and you could see a much higher return when you come to sell.
Issue Challenged in this Small Business Podcast:
How can I prepare my business for sale?
About Ace:
Ace Chapman started out in the world of business when he bought his first business at only 19 years of age. Since then, he has bought and sold more than 40 businesses, both online and off. As well as looking after his own deals, Ace now runs his own business acquisition consultancy. He has helped hundreds of entrepreneurs either find the right deal to help them expand their business portfolios or prepare their business for sale to another party.
Ace is with us on this episode of the number one small business podcast to share his story and some fantastic tips that can help you prepare your business for...
Jan 11, 2016
31 min

We’ve all had those lightbulb moments, haven’t we? Maybe we’ve been in the shower, working out at the gym or sat stuck in traffic. A solution to a problem you’ve faced has come to mind, or a new and improved way of handling a process has just popped into your head. We often get wrapped up in these ideas and can’t help but fantasize about the business opportunities that they could present. But before we run off and start devoting major time and resources to these ideas, we need to make sure that there is a demand for them in the marketplace or else we could be wasting our time.
Spending time and energy on a business idea without validating it first can be easily done as people often get caught up in an idea that they’re convinced the public will respond too. Even the big boys of the business world have experienced spectacular product launch failures. However, whereas those companies have the resources to take the hit for something that nobody wants, us small business owners don’t usually have that luxury. Our investment of time, energy and money needs to be going towards something that has a chance of being successful and taking the time to validate your idea is going to help you have a much higher chance of success in the marketplace.
What’s the best way to go about validating your idea? Well, there a number of different ways you can do this depending on the size of your company and the amount you want to invest in terms of time and money. We may not be able to get a focus group or consumer research project started but with the technology at our fingertips today, there’s never been an easier, or cheaper, time to validate an idea. We can research competing products, check out how much online activity there is for certain keywords or even build a simple landing page and monitor the response it gets with some basic advertising through AdWords. Social media is also a fantastic, low-cost way of measuring how responsive people are to your idea, product or service. You can get real-time feedback from people all over the world. Information is key and we have access to a staggering amount of it!
Our guest on this episode of your favourite small business podcast, Ajay Prasad, is going to take us through his experiences of validating a business idea and share some actionable tips that will help you validate your idea with minimal costs.
Issue Challenged in this Small Business Podcast:
How can I know if there’s a demand for my product in the marketplace?
About Ajay:
Ajay Prasad is the founder and president of Global Marketing Resources, a web design and marketing agency based in California. He’s also the founder of GMR Transcription, a hugely successful web based transcription and translation service that he built from scratch after recognizing a problem and being unable to find a satisfactory solution.
Prior to becoming an entrepreneur, Ajay built up a wealth of marketing, consumer research and strategic planning experience in both the corporate and the startup fields. He’s with us on your favourite small business podcast to share his thoughts on how to find out if there is demand out there for your product or service.
Actionable Tips:
* Test the response to your idea through digital marketing. It can be as simple as putting up a landing page, using Google AdWords and monitoring the response. You can even ask for feedback from your friends and family through social media. It’s inexpensive and won’t demand too much of your time.
* Start to research competitors. Find out as much as possible about other companies who are providing similar products and services. Analyse how successful they are, who their customers are and what their unique value proposition is. If your search doesn’t turn up any similar companies, then it could be a sign that there is not a market out there.
Jan 7, 2016
38 min

Crowdfunding, as a concept, is something that many of us have an understanding of through platforms such as Kickstarter and Indiegogo. People around the world can check out a campaign and if they like what they see, they can help fund the project. Usually the person or team behind the campaign will offer a variety of rewards depending on the donated amount. Video games, albums, books, gadgets, TV shows and many other endeavours have been successfully funded this way, circumventing the more traditional funding routes. But there is so much more to crowdfunding than most of us realize. It’s now also a viable method of raising money for your business.
Joining us on this episode of the number one small business podcast is Anthony de Souza, who has spent the last four years helping businesses tap into the potential of crowdfunding. As Anthony explains in this episode, there are several different types of crowdfunding each with their own specific models and benefits. Perhaps the two most famous types of crowdfunding are those based on donations, such as Just Giving, and those based on rewards, such as Kickstarter.
Donation based crowdfunding is, of course, not so relevant to small business, but it’s a great way for charitable causes to raise funds and awareness. Rewards based crowdfunding is where different rewards are promised for different levels of backing. This would apply to some business with an innovative new product, but certainly not all small businesses. Perhaps the two types of crowdfunding most pertinent to small business are equity based crowdfunding and peer-to-peer lending. With equity based crowdfunding, businesses create a campaign to attract investment from outside backers who will expect equity in the business in return. The biggest platform for this type of crowdfunding in the UK is Crowdcube, which has secured more than £126 million in investments for small businesses. Peer-to-peer lending or debt based crowdfunding is used predominantly by existing business that need investment. The biggest platform for peer-to-peer lending in the UK is Funding Circle.
As well as the possibility of gaining investment in your small business, there are a couple of other important benefits to crowdfunding. Firstly, you will be able to see if your business or idea is validated by the market. Are there enough people out there who need your products or services? A crowdfunding campaign is a great way to find out the level of interest after you’ve done your initial market research. Secondly, a crowdfunding campaign can increase your brand awareness and act as a marketing strategy in its own right. A really successful campaign could even be featured in the media, further building awareness.
According to Anthony, a successful crowdfunding campaign relies on the business owner choosing the right type of crowdfunding and also selecting the right platform within that type. Some businesses that could be successful on Crowdcube perhaps would not be successful on Kickstarter, and vice versa. It’s important to choose the right approach. All successful campaigns feature a video of three minutes or less that tells the viewer your story. You should spend around 60 days on setting up your campaign because you can only launch it once and you want to make sure that everything is set up for the best chance of success. The 30 days of the campaign is important too, but the campaign is more likely to succeed if the groundwork and preparation have been put in beforehand.
Crowdfunding is only going to get bigger, so it’s certainly a financing method that many of us could find helpful for our small businesses.
Issue Challenged in this Small Business Podcast:
How can crowdfunding help my business?
About Anthony:
Anthony de Souza is an expert in the area of crowdfunding. He works as a speaker,
Dec 21, 2015
34 min

Maintaining a healthy cash flow is absolutely essential for a small business to survive. It sounds so strange to have to say that, but if it’s so obvious, why do so many of us get into trouble when it comes to cash flow? Why aren’t we more aware of where we stand financially? What are the issues that are affecting our cash flow?
Cash flow can be a problematic area for businesses of any size, but it can be a particularly difficult for small business owners, especially during their first couple of years. We can often get distracted by finding the clients and doing the work. This means that invoicing, accounts and so on take a back seat. We’ll get the money for that next month, we tell ourselves. And, because we’re just starting out, we justify dipping into our personal accounts as we say that’s just what entrepreneurs do in the early days. The buzz of completing a project successfully and looking for the next big client might mean we don’t start invoicing right away. We may accept a client’s longer payment terms without any negotiation just to ensure we get their business.
These are all understandable reasons why accounting gets neglected sometimes but we can quickly find ourselves in trouble if we don’t keep an eye on our finances. And, there are always going to be other issues that will crop up. Clients may take their time to pay your invoices and it can feel rude to keep chasing them up. You may have some emergency personal expenses that can’t be delayed or a larger than usual tax bill. Before you know it, you’ve got nothing to show for the many hours of hard work you’ve put in and the wolf is at the door. How can we avoid some of these issues and help our businesses thrive?
With us on this episode of your favourite small business podcast is Gary Turner, the managing director of small business cloud-based accountancy service, Xero. Gary’s been working on accountancy software for more than twenty years, so he has a wealth of experience and knowledge about what companies do well and not so well when it comes to maintaining a healthy cash flow.
As ever, our guest is going to be giving you some actionable tips that can be implemented in any small business and help you better avoid the stresses and strains that come with dwindling cash reserves.
Issue Challenged in this Small Business Podcast:
How can I stay on top of my cash flow and grow my business?
About Gary:
Gary Turner is the managing director of Xero, an innovative and beautifully designed cloud-based accounting software for small businesses. With Xero, small business owners can connect with their accounting data anytime, anywhere and on any device. In only a few short years, the company has grown to become the market leading cloud accountancy product in the UK, New Zealand and Australia.
Prior to joining Xero, Gary gained over 20 years’ experience in the accountancy software field. He’s here on this episode of your favourite small business podcast to share his expertise and tips for keeping on top of your finances as well as some of the pitfalls to avoid.
Gary’s Actionable Tips:
* Keep on top of your accounts. Staying on top of your books and making sure they are as accurate as possible is the most important aspect of maintaining cash flow. Updating your records as frequently as possible will help you know where you stand.
* Be fair and direct with your customers. There’s no need to be too lenient or a pushover. Just be clear about your terms in the beginning. Although it can feel nerve-wracking, there’s nothing wrong with asking to be paid within a reasonable amount of time for quality work. Your customers know that for you to continue working, you need to be paid.
* Keep your accounting as simple as possible. We often use our own systems to keep track of data and financial information...
Dec 10, 2015
29 min
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