
Welcome to the first episode for 2021 of Better World Leaders, another very special edition with 3 conversations with three guests returning to look ahead at the year we've just begun, anticipating what awaits us and provide advice and insights as to how best to prepare for lies ahead.
We're continuing the format elected to conclude this year with a reflective series of conversations with 3 leaders who have shared their view and insights during 2020. In this episode we posed each of them the same question - What awaits us in 2021 and how to prepare ourselves.
Our guests are;
Ben Bowen - Co-Founder and CEO of Shared Path, an Aboriginal Corporation and tech incubator and community education organisation, who joined us in Season 1 of Better World Leaders sharing his thoughts on the road ahead for all leaders intent on making the world better in 2021.
Sue Glendenning - Founder of Quantum Results Coaching and Advocate for female leadership, sharing insights on language, motivation and making sense of uncertainty. Based in Melbourne, Sue both endured and supported clients and family though a 4 month CoVid lock-down, and shares insights from this experience as well as perspectives from the USA.
Ronan MacDomhnaill - Founder of CRED, multiple Tech-preneur and Neuroscience Coach, Ronan shares deep personal experiences from this year and further back, setting a powerful example of a 'bounce-back' and how to lean into empathy, purpose and giving.
As always, great thanks and appreciation to the team who contributed to bringing Better World Leaders to you;
To Brendan Ward for production of all audio recordings and composition and performance of original music throughout each episode.
To Cooper and the team at RadioHub studios for technical support and creative guidance during the episodes that are recorded face-to-face. You can find out about Radio Hub's services here - https://www.radiohub.com.au/
To NokNok Studios for website design, hosting and advice. Find out about NokNok's awesome services here https://noknokstudios.com
To Cirasa Design for logo and site graphics - Find our about Cirasa'sinspiring work here
Jan 6, 2021
1 hr 24 min

Welcome to the final episode for 2020 of Better World Leaders. We've elected to conclude this year with a reflective series of conversations with 3 leaders who have influenced our thinking and informed our perspectives this year. We posed each of them the same questions - What has 2020 meant for you? And what have you learnt?
Genna Onuchukwu - Charity Founder and Registered nurse, sharing insights from personal experience and contrasting perspectives from what has been a great year for her as she becomes a mother, yet a traumatic year for those she strives to support (Genna returns to Better World Leaders after her full-length conversation in Episode 19).
Sue Glendenning - Founder of Quantum Results Coaching and Advocate for female leadership, sharing insights on language, motivation and making sense of uncertainty. Based in Melbourne, Sue both endured and supported clients and family though a 4 month CoVid lock-down, and shares insights from this experience as well as perspectives from the USA.
Ronan Mac Domhnaill - Founder of CRED, multiple Tech-preneur and Neuroscience Coach, Ronan shares deep personal experiences from this year and further back, setting a powerful example of a 'bounce-back' and how to lean into empathy, purpose and giving.
You can reach out to any of our guests via the following details;
Genna - Gennarosity Abroad's main site OR Genna's LinkedIn profile
Sue - Quantum Results Coaching main site OR Sue's LinkedIn profile
Ronan - CRED's main site OR Ronan's LinkedIn profile
We'll adopt a similar format to explore our first topic of the new year, looking at what we anticipate awaits leaders in 2021, and how we can prepare for it. See you again soon for that episode and more in January!
As always, great thanks and appreciation to the team who contributed to bringing Better World Leaders to you;
To Brendan Ward for production of all audio recordings and composition and performance of original music throughout each episode.
To Cooper and the team at RadioHub studios for technical support and creative guidance during the episodes that are recorded face-to-face. You can find out about Radio Hub's services here - https://www.radiohub.com.au/
To NokNok Studios for website design, hosting and advice. Find out about NokNok's awesome services here - https://www.facebook.com/NOKNOKstudios/
To Cirasa Design for logo and site graphics - Find our about Cirasa'sinspiring work here
You'll find audio and video recordings for this episode, as well as links to any specific recommendations or related resources mentioned today in the podcast area of 4ileadership.com/insights
This is the Better World Leaders, brought to you by 4iLeadership
Dec 30, 2020
1 hr 30 min

Welcome to another special edition of Better World Leaders, a better world conversation with Dr Dave Eng.
Dave is the host of the Experience Points podcast, a faculty member at New York University and founder of UniversityXP, a consultancy focused on gaming and game-based learning. Dave describes himself as an intellectual and creative educator, designer, and researcher focusing on games, theory, technology and professional development.
This conversations focuses on motivation, a timely topic for many at the end of a challenging year and a reflective moment as we look ahead at 2021 and consider what challenges to apply ourselves to, and how best to motivate ourselves to do so.
This dialogue was co-created for both Better World Leaders and Experience Points.
If you'd like to find out more about Dave's work, you can do so via the links below;
Website - www.universityxp.com
LinkedIn - linkedin.com/in/davengdesign
As always, great thanks and appreciation to the team who contributed to bringing Better World Leaders to you;
To Brendan Ward for production of all audio recordings and composition and performance of original music throughout each episode.
To Cooper and the team at RadioHub studios for technical support and creative guidance during the episodes that are recorded face-to-face. You can find out about Radio Hub's services here - https://www.radiohub.com.au/
To NokNok Studios for website design, hosting and advice. Find out about NokNok's awesome services here noknokstudios.com
To Cirasa Design for logo and site graphics - Find our about Cirasa'sinspiring work here
You'll find audio and video recordings for this episode, as well as links to any specific recommendations or related resources mentioned today in the podcast area of 4ileadership.com/insights
This is the Better World Leaders, brought to you by 4iLeadership
Dec 28, 2020
30 min

Welcome to the first of our scheduled Special Editions, this Better World Conversation focused on interpreting the insights for leadership from the US election.
In this discussion we welcome back 3 previous guests - all leadership experts with specific interest and expertise to apply to this contemporary topic of late 2020;
•Victoria Foster, Brooklyn-based CEO of FutureWomenX, Victoria draws on her career in Investment banking and leadership and organisational development, providing an evocative discussion around unity, interpretation of terms, contribution to leadership and most vitally the role we all have to play in moving the world and the USA forward.
•Dr Tom Alan-Livernois, Los Angeles-based EVP of 4iLeadership, Tom draws on his career in marketing, entertainment and product development, along with his academic standing with 2 Masters and Doctorate of Education, providing a critique of systems and structures, the power and use of tribalism and group influence and the role of collective endeavour to form paths of progress.
•Zoë Routh, Canberra-based leadership expert, author and thought-leader, drawing on her own observations and experiences with clients and family in the USA and throughout Asia, providing an active and both serious and playful dialogue on language, systems of power and how to frame unity as a destination whilst recognising the work that must be done to lead through such divisive times.
If you're curious to find out more about each of these experts, you can do so here;
Victoria Foster;
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/victoriafoster/
Website - https://www.futurewomenx.com/
Dr Tom Alan-Livernois;
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/drtom-alan-livernois/
Website - https://4ileadership.com/us/#tom-allan-livernois
Zoë Routh;
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoerouth/
Website - https://www.zoerouth.com/
Podcast - https://www.zoerouth.com/podcast-news
We highly recommend Zoë's podcast - the Zoë Routh Leadership podcast. A segment of this show was broadcast there previously, you can also check out her interview of BWL Host Tim Collings in 2019 here https://www.zoerouth.com/podcast/timcollings, and see her podcast feed for a vast roll-call of Australian and international leaders and leadership experts. Zoë's latest book, People Stuff, is also highly recommended and has been recognised with Business and HR awards in recent months.
Thanks as always to the production team behind this show, primarily Brendan Ward for audio mastery and original composition.
We'll be back soon with more Better World Conversations, before we return to our weekly seasonal schedule with Better World Leaders Season 3 in March 2021.
Dec 3, 2020
1 hr 26 min

In this conclusive episode at the end of our scheduled second season, I've set out to achieve 4 things.
If any of these segments are of greater interest to you than another, you can skip forward to these points in the broadcast (as follows) or simple sit back and let this culmination of Better World Leaders so far roll out in front of you.
Reviewing the stand-out moments to me in Season 2 - from 2min52
Reflecting on the key learnings for leaders and leadership - 8min19
Celebrating and expressing gratitude to the Better World Leaders community that has been gathered thus far - 17min30
Looking ahead and giving an outline of the future state for our next 2 seasons and the broadcasts that will come between now and the launch of the next main season - 21min22
Today we conclude the second season of our podcast, Better World Leaders, and this opening statement summarises our take on the collective wisdom of the 20 guests we've co-created conversations with in 2020.
In this reflective episode, we review the highlights of the 12 conversations with leaders who are all striving to make the world better as organisational executives, thought leaders, authors, experts, advocates and entrepreneurs.
Special thanks to all of this seasons' guests for devoting their time to share wisdom, insights and perspectives - Zoë Routh, Michael Bungay Stanier, Harvee Pene, Dr Adam Fraser, Andrew Hayim de Vries, Simon Carter, Leen Gorissen, Genna Onuchukwu, Brandon Srot, Kirstin Hunter, Kevin Tan and Dr Tom Alan-Livernois.
We hope have benefited from the time and find some space you have made to engage with the content we've created over the course of this year in Better World Leaders, or that you will soon if you've not had a chance to do so as yet.
Reviewing the stand-out moments and conversations in my view from the second season;
•There are so many ways to lead in order to make the world better
•To lead is to step into the opportunity to create positive change, and to pick up the baton of obligation to be a custodian of change that for sustainable good moving towards making our world better
•Highlights to me as host were the conversations with Leen Gorissen on Natural Intelligence, Michael Bungay Stanier on curiosity, power & authority and both Harvee Pene and Kevin Tan on the connection between purpose and profit.
Reflecting on the key learnings and themes that have emerged and considering the implications of these for leadership:
•Theme of purpose, with reflective moments in the conversations with Kirstin Hunter, Genna Onuchukwu, Kevin Tan, Harvee Pene and Dr Tom Alan-Livernois.
•Power & authority, with reflective moments in the conversations with Michael Bungay Stanier, Brandon Srot and Andrew Hayim de Vries.
•Vital leadership traits to develop and lean into - curiosity, humility & tolerance
•Critical leadership skills to learn and refine - adaptability, resilience, trust building and sitting with discomfort
Celebration and gratitude;
I've been enthralled, delighted and deeply gladdened to see the Better World Leaders message spread so quickly, and be engaged with around the globe.
As we broadcast this episode, we've had listeners tune in from a wide array of countries including Australia, New Zealand, the USA, Canada, the UK, France, Germany, Belgium, Spain, Ireland, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Lithuania, Poland, India, Singapore, Indonesia, China, Ghana, South Africa and Nigeria and Peru.
Thank you to each and every one of you who has given your time and attention to the content we've created - we hope you have enjoyed and benefited from what you have learned from the inspiring leaders we have brought to you.</di...
Oct 22, 2020
29 min

In this conversation we welcome the leader of 4i's business in the USA, Dr. Tom Alan-Livernois. I am honoured to be able to call Tom a dear friend, as well as a colleague and business partner. His wisdom, experience and qualifications are vast, deep and contemporarily relevant in so many ways. I'm delighted to be sharing this conversation with you.
Dr. Tom's career has spanned extensive experience in marketing, advertising, leadership and developing leaders. His early career was primarily focused on bringing new services and products to markets, working across numerous sectors and industries bringing 'first in market' offers to life. Having heard the call of purpose and pivoted to become a Leadership Educator, he first gained a Master's in Digital Marketing, then a Master's in Organisational Leadership and most recently a Doctorate in Organizational Leadership with an emphasis on development. His field of expertise in this are was focused on Virtual Work and Organisational Stress. Today, Dr. Tom leads our business in the USA and applies his expertise with our clients across the globe.
Dr. Tom is a deeply compassionate student of the human condition and of the relationship between leadership and both human and organisational performance. His faculty for understanding causal Dr.ivers of behaviour and the specific developmental interventions required to enhance performance and outcomes lead him to be sought out by senior Executives and high performing organisations. He continues to break new ground in organizational outcomes and positive impact in the world.
This conversation covers many elements of our work and our shared philosophy of leadership, as well as taking deep dives into several crucial areas of leadership today. If you are seeking to understand the definitive leadership traits of humility, tolerance and respect, why they are vital for successful leadership now and in the future, this conversation is worth making time for.
If you are tight for time and want to tune in directly to the leadership segment, you can scroll forward to the 40-minute mark. I do highly recommend the whole conversation to fully appreciate Dr. Tom's background and perspective.
Key out-takes from this episode;
- We are often taught "this is the way it has to be". Learn to question "is it?"
- You have to name your part, what role you are playing in a system or context.
- Impatience is the most selfish act one can perform
- Humility is simply an admission that you're human. That you don't know everything, you can provide grace to somebody else and that you don't have to be the centre of attention.
- A key tenant of servant leadership is altruism. Altruism is not simply about being and doing good but comes from evolutionary psychology of a member of the group being able to mediate anger or aggression to bring the group together to work towards a common goal.
- That the greatest leaders are able to inspire people to work towards a shared vision is commonly accepted. What must be appreciated is that the only way we can inspire somebody is to have developed trust, have mutual respect for each other, as well as understand what mutual dependencies you have for each other, our unspoken contract.
(Specific quote for QT The only way to inspire somebody is by building trust with mutual respect and appreciation for mutual dependence)
- Do you truly understand why you want to be a leader?
- What is successful leadership to you? Involves having a relationship with people. If you do reach successful leadership without having a relationship with people, it's likely to be short-lived.
- To develop yourself and others as leaders, seek out learning that's simple, practical and immediate in application.
- What we want to understan...
Oct 15, 2020
1 hr 10 min

This conversation is as much a journey, as it is a movement towards a destination. The destination is an entrepreneurial endeavour that provides proof that no matter what the business model, how simple or complex, unique or commoditised, that engraining purpose firmly at the core of our organisation will bring greater outcomes. And since this one is a for profit business - the proof is that profit follows purpose.
This is a fascinating discussion with entrepreneur Kevin Tan, who shares his journey from a promising career in global consulting firm Accenture, on a path of discovering purpose through field work with World Vision, to co-founding a 'for purpose' organisation that delivers improved outcomes for both staff and customers in the contract cleaning industry.
Kevin's perspectives about life, service, purpose and creating meaningful work and for purpose profit are as inspirational and they are informative.
If you are seeking your purpose, and how to apply it in your work, this conversation may well be for you.
Key out-takes from this episode;
- Kevin found that bringing a sense of devotion and purpose to work has led to much greater staff engagement. Instead of talking about their work experience, staff now talk about their purpose experience.
- Work should go beyond producing a great service, it can be about having an even greater impact in the world.
- Living their purpose as a company by showing their customers that they really cared about them led to a huge increase in retention (up to 97%), in an industry that typically has very low retention rates across contracts.
- When you think about purpose as a concept is such a big idea, but when you break it down to an individual level, it's really about living the attributes of someone you'd like to hang out with.
- Key themes of Kevin's approach to leadership - be generous, be faithful and do what you'll say you'll do. Do this, and you'll attract good business, good contracts and good staff.
- The collective consciousness of the business community is increasing around the benefits of following purposeful models of operating.
- If we can get just 6% of small and medium sized businesses to embrace a new way of operating, we'll see a tipping point in cultural change for the good.
- You don't need to be CEO to make the brave calls and follow your moral compass
- Taking personal responsibility is vital and key to change the way we run our businesses. Everyone can take this personal responsibility for how they lead.
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Get in touch with Kevin via any of these points of contact;
Kevin's Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-tan-241518b/
Kevin's business: www.cleanasyougo.com.au
As always, great thanks and appreciation to the team who contributed to bringing Better World Leaders to you;
To Brendan Ward for production of all audio recordings and composition and performance of original music throughout each episode.
To Cooper and the team at RadioHub studios for technical support and creative guidance during the episodes that are recorded face-to-face. You can find out about Radio Hub's services here - https://www.radiohub.com.au/
To NokNok Studios for website design, hosting and advice. Find out about NokNok's awesome services here - https://www.facebook.com/NOKNOKstudios/
To Cirasa Design f...
Oct 8, 2020
1 hr 5 min

Every once in a while you come across a corporate leader who really makes you sit up and pay attention. Kirstin Hunter was one such example for me. And not because of a prestigious appointment, or a meteoric rise to prominence or a stellar investor presentation. I paid attention because of bravery, action in alignment with purpose and living ones' values.
I became aware of the organisation she is Managing Director of, Future Super, shortly before Kirstin came into view. Future Super stands out as a prominent advocate, if not activist, in for-purpose, impact-driven investment. Kirstin stands out for not just walking the walk, but shouting the talk of what they do and why they do what they do.
Don't get me wrong, typically you would find me using very different language to describe my emotions around the financial services and funds management industry, but this woman, this leader and this organisation are worthy of a different set of adjectives and verbs. As such, Kirstin's mantra is most appropriate - deeds over words.
Kirstin's journey from lawyer to global management consultant to leading a purpose-led funds management company runs in defiance of the received wisdom of corporate careers, as does the approve the organisation she leads takes to investment - leading to a clean sweep of the highest performing funds in recent Australian industry results.
This is a powerful conversation that proves two significant points - that everyone who has any retirement savings of any kind can apply them to do good and create the world we want to see. And that this sector, one that rightly attracts more ire and criticism than praise, has an enormous opportunity to follow Kirstin and Future Super's lead and become a major force for good. The Australian retirement investment industry is the 4th largest investment pool in the world, currently valued at over $2.7trillion AUD. Imagine the projects that could fund. The full transition to renewable energy for a start, which would require just 7.7% of total funds invested by the Australian superannuation industry.
Key out-takes from this episode;
- Financial services is not an industry that you'd typically associate with strongly purpose-orientated people - but perhaps it will be soon!
- Future Super's performance proves that it is not only possible, but beneficial to think about both purpose and profit in investing.
- This success is not just about the positive return to members from the funds managed, it's about inspiring positive change in the industry to compound a greater force for good.
- Let's put that into context. Research cited by Kirstin indicates that to fully transition Australia to renewable energy would require the investment of just 7.7% of the funds currently invested by Australian retirement funds.
- The received wisdom in the investment industry in Australia is that you can't generate consistent member returns without investing in fossil fuels. Well, it turns out you can.
- In fact, during times of volatility, ethical funds have significantly out-performed conventionally invested funds.
- Being purpose orientated cannot just be marketing spin, not just the words on the wall, it must be reflected in all your interactions with all of your stakeholders.
- One of Future Super's philosophies is that they invest by doing.
- However, let's not scare anyone off here. You don't have to change the way you work to lead with purpose. All of us have the opportunity to bring purpose into our daily lives.
- Anyone can ask a question of their organisation around purpose, and there's a lot of power in that. Ask what it would mean if your organisation really meant what they say they mean. Ask who is going to judge us against what we say around purpose.
- Sim...
Oct 1, 2020
56 min

We've have been fortunately to have several deeply moving conversations with Brandon about the role of leaders over the years, and I'm very glad to have been able to create another one here to share with you all.
Brandon was born and raised in Apartheid South Africa, and we begin our conversation recounting salient moments of his upbringing which framed his views of the world, viscerally confronting inequality of opportunity, access to resources and education that need not always constrain the realisation of human potential. From these early beginnings, he has devoted himself to the development of human potential and connection.
His own leadership journey has taken him through tenures in Not-for-Profit, as a Youth Councillor for the City of Cape Town, and as the Australian Chair for a Global Youth Organisation.
He now practices as a psycho-therapist, leadership facilitator and educator - including as a lecturer in Adaptive Leadership. He works with leaders to face the complex challenges they encounter to which there are no set-out, straightforward solutions. As such, we - as humans - are called on to adapt and adjust; to reconfigure our values, loyalties, perceptions and ways of doing things. This requires us to relate and interact with each other in new ways. For Brandon, this is part of leadership. He works with people to develop their relational leadership capacities so that we can meet each other and work with each other in new ways.
Key out-takes from this episode;
- Seeking to develop human potential and connection are the bedrock of the kind of leadership we need today
- So much of the world is crying out for a new kind of leadership
- This change needs to happen rapidly and radically
- That in the world of Adaptive Leadership, leadership is not a noun, it is a verb. It is something we do, and as such is available to us all.
- In Adaptive Leadership we do not refer to leaders, only leadership
- Adaptive Leadership is a change management process. We must ask ourselves what is going to need to occur to cause us to emerge in a different form to the one we entered in.
- We can get seduced by authority in so many different ways.
- Pay attention to the authority relationships in your life
Resources mentioned in this episode
Read - Leadership on the Line, by Marty Linsky and Ronald Heifetz
Get in touch with Brandon via any of these points of contact;
My website - www.brandonsrot.com
https://www.linkedin.com/in/brandonsrot/
Feel free to call or email and Brandon would love to chat, perhaps even have a virtual coffee
As always, great thanks and appreciation to the team who contributed to bringing Better World Leaders to you;
To Brendan Ward for production of all audio recordings and composition and performance of original music throughout each episode.
To Cooper and the team at RadioHub studios for technical support and creative guidance during the episodes that are recorded face-to-face. You can find out about Radio Hub's services here - https://www.radiohub.com.au/
To NokNok Studios for website design, hosting and advice. Find out about NokNok's awesome services here - https://www.facebook.com/NOKNOKstudios/
To Cirasa Design for logo and site graphics - Find our about Cirasa's inspiring work here
This is the Better World Leaders, brought to you by 4iLeadership
Sep 24, 2020
1 hr 1 min

This is one of the fastest moving, punchiest and broadest conversations we've had on
Better World Leaders thus far, one in which we cover a lot of ground and an array of topics, including acting to align passion with purpose, the role of inquiry in leadership - that leaders ask and listen first and then act, without fear of failure. The later point they do because they accept that failure is a step along the road to learning and growth.
A little about Genna...born and raised in the Eastern Suburbs of Sydney, Australia, she is 1 of 4 daughters and has by her own words been extremely privileged her entire life. Struggling academically in High School she wanted to drop out, however her parents encouraged her to stay until she Graduated High School. The final two years were the best years of her life as she took on various leadership roles. She has now completed two university degrees, Bachelor of Nursing and a Bachelor of Arts in International Aid and Development and Sustainable Development.
Inspired by World Vision adverts to confront her privilege and consider how she could make a greater contribution, she approached major charities and NGOs when graduating high school but found little interest in her capability. This frustrated her that her passion and purpose were so readily rebutted, so she shifted into action, travelling to Africa and learning first-hand how to directly interact with, learn from, and offer assistance to communities in need.
In the years ahead she founded her own charity - Gennarosity Abroad - which transforms the lives of women and children in Kenya operating a Kindergarten & women's Training Centre and supporting an orphanage and maternity clinic, as well as educating youth in Australia of global injustices (e.g. taken a group of 10 students to Kenya in 2018) The core message is one of inspiring others that as one person, they have the ability to change the lives of others.
Key out-takes from this episode;
- Instead of letting people dictate how you live your life, take control and have impact on the ground.
- Not to tell communities what they need, ask them to inform you of what their problems are, and develop solutions together.
- That one of the biggest problems of leadership roles is power, and the inherent danger of having too much power.
- Humility, curiosity and respect can balance power.
- That we over-emphasis agreement as a requirement to cooperate. We don't need to agree 100% to work together towards a shared vision or outcome.
- That failure is something we need to embrace.
- Leadership is about doing. Fear of failure is the reason many people don't do.
- Education is not just about grades. That much of what good leaders need is not what is graded in our current education system.
- That in this sense we may we setting kids up to fail by only focusing on the grade outcome and not the skills acquired along the way.
Get in touch with Genna via any of these points of contact;
The website Gennarosity Abroad (www.gennarosityabroad.org)
email Genna at [email protected]
or call (yes, call!) on +61400224429. On Genna's behalf we politely request an sms in advance to introduce yourself and your enquiry.
As always, great thanks and appreciation to the team who contributed to bringing Better World Leaders to you;
To Brendan Ward for production of all audio recordings and composition and performance of original music throughout each episode.
To Cooper and the team at RadioHub studios for technical support and creative guidance during the episodes that are recorde...
Sep 17, 2020
41 min
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