Been There Got Out Podcast
Been There Got Out Podcast
Chris & Lisa
Chris and Lisa of BeenThereGotOut.com both survived toxic marriages with narcissistic partners and the legal and co-parenting nightmares that go hand-in-hand with all of that.If you are struggling in a high-conflict relationship, divorce, custody battle, or co-parenting hell which requires PERSONALIZED attention, let us HOLD YOUR HAND along the way, while providing EXPERT, STRATEGIC guidance based on one's years of success (representing myself in court!), coupled with the other's High Conflict Divorce Coach certification.Our podcast features interviews with lawyers, therapists, co-parenting coordinators, guardians ad litem, and other subject matter experts, as well as other content, all with one goal in mind: Let us teach you how to HELP YOURSELF!
Forging Resilience in Childhood Shadowed by Addiction
Send us a Text Message.Growing up with an alcoholic mother shaped Bernadene into the powerhouse motivational coach she is today, and in this episode, she courageously peels back the layers of her past to illuminate the struggles and triumphs on her road to self-discovery. Our heartfelt exchange navigates through the choppy waters of emotional abuse, the burdensome role of caretaker thrust upon children in dysfunctional homes, and the lasting impact on one's sense of self-worth and capacity for healthy relationships. Bernadine's story is a poignant reminder that while our beginnings may be etched in chaos, the narrative we write for ourselves can be one of strength and resilience.Memory can be a fickle friend, particularly when healing from emotional trauma, and we delve into the complexities of reconciling the past with those who may not remember their hurtful actions. Bernadine introduces us to 'anchoring memories,' the concept of grounding oneself in moments of palpable love to navigate the healing process. Our discussion extends to the myriad ways siblings cope and adapt within these dynamics, shedding light on the intricate web of family roles and the silent battles fought in the journey towards acceptance and personal growth.But Bernadine's narrative doesn't end with her challenges—she represents a beacon for anyone walking a similar path, and she's extended a hand to our listeners looking to find their way. Her transformation into an inspiring figure exemplifies the profound impact of support systems and mentors in overcoming adversity. This episode is a testament to the incredible leaps one can make from a tumultuous beginning to a future filled with promise and purpose.
May 10, 2024
35 min
Advocating for Yourself... with Your Own Attorney
Send us a Text Message.There's something truly magnetic about the moment when shared passions and memories intertwine — like the one we had with our friend and colleague David Morneau, a "recovering litigator" with a heart as big as his legal pad. Together, we took a stroll down memory lane, reliving our collaborative ventures and the joy that filled the room during our book launch, where David's foreword sparked conversations and admiration. Our latest exchange, however, wasn't just a trip through nostalgia; it was a masterclass in self-advocacy. With a dash of humor and an 11-point list colored by a charming U.S.-Canada conversion mix-up, David handed over the keys to ensuring you're treated as the human being you are in the eyes of your attorney.Navigating the legal labyrinth doesn't come with a one-size-fits-all map, but this episode sheds light on the essentials, guiding you through the selection of an attorney aligned with your values and objectives. We discuss the overburdened justice system's preoccupation with victories over values, and make a case for methods like mediation that inject compassion back into legal proceedings. We pull back the curtain on the empowering shift from victimhood to self-actualization within legal disputes, advocating for a personalized approach in finding the legal counsel that resonates with your unique narrative.The final bend in our conversation brings us to the doorstep of family law and the emotional landscape that often casts a long shadow over legalities. With a vision of a more empathetic court system, we unpack the need for systemic change and the role of various professionals in crafting a holistic solution to family law cases. Tune in to absorb the wisdom, wit, and warmth that only a conversation among friends can provide!
May 8, 2024
1 hr
From Runaway to Resilience: Escaping Narcissism & Healing from Parental Abandonment
Send us a Text Message.Unlock the mysteries of growing up within narcissistic family systems as Marnie Grunman, a brave survivor, sits with us to recount her powerful journey of fleeing home at 13 and battling the cold embrace of the streets. Her insights, drawn from both her personal experiences and her poignant book, illuminate the often misunderstood reasons behind a child's decision to run away. In our heart-to-heart, we traverse the rocky paths of healing from childhood trauma, dissect the dynamics of establishing boundaries with narcissistic relatives, and the tough choices some must face in deciding between low or no contact with family members.Feel the weight of a child's heartache as we open up about the profound void left by parental abandonment, especially during divorce, as Marnie shares her expertise and reflections on growing up without a father. Our conversation honors the complexities of grieving someone who is still alive yet emotionally distant and underscores the vital role of acknowledging a child's feelings. Listen closely as we reveal how stable, supportive relationships, like the one Lisa formed with her father, can mend deep emotional wounds and guide one toward a healthier future.As we wrap up our conversation, we touch on the silent venom of emotional abuse and its far-reaching consequences. We stress the importance of validating one's pain, regardless of its perceived severity, and discuss the creation of a support group dedicated to daughters-in-law navigating the challenge of narcissistic in-laws. Our commitment to aiding children in distress shines through as we tease an upcoming book designed to offer practical support for young ones in trying times. Join us for this episode as we share in our mission to help and heal, fostering empowerment for those walking a similar path to recovery.
May 6, 2024
49 min
Secrets of Access Schedules & Strategies for Protecting Children
Send us a Text Message.Embark on a transformative journey through the labyrinth of family law as we host California matrimonial divorce family lawyer Padideh Jafari. Together, we confront the grueling realities of 50/50 child custody arrangements amidst high-conflict divorces and arm you with the forensic strategies necessary to shield your children and uphold their best interests. Our conversation with Padideh peels away the veneer of difficult ex-partners, revealing the critical role of evidence and expert testimony in cases where supervised visitation and child safety are paramount.Navigating the maelstrom of emotional abuse in custody battles requires more than just legal knowledge—it demands a nuanced understanding of the psychological warfare often waged by narcissistic ex-partners. In this episode, we elucidate the covert tactics used to manipulate both the system and the children caught in the crossfire. We address the imperative need for comprehensive documentation, the strategic use of technology for communication tracking, and the profound impact that therapy can have on young lives disrupted by parental discord.As we wrap up this intense exploration, we dissect the intricacies of parental alienation, relocation disputes, and the formulation of long-distance parenting plans. You'll gain insight into the legal mechanisms at play, including the roles of minor's counsel and child custody evaluators, and learn how the courts navigate the thorny issues of move-aways and compliance with existing orders. We close by inviting our listeners to an upcoming networking event, promising a unique opportunity to connect and find further support on this crucial topic.
May 3, 2024
1 hr
High-Conflict Divorce: It Takes More Than Legal Expertise
Send us a Text Message.Navigating the tangled web of divorce law requires more than just a sharp legal mind; it demands a heart attuned to the emotional whirlwinds faced by those in the throes of marital dissolution. In our latest episode, we're joined by New York matrimonial attorney Ian Steinberg, who shares his insightful journey from real estate to family law, highlighting the profound ways empathy and communication shape his practice. With a candid discussion about the strategic and emotional facets of divorce settlements, Ian offers a blend of wisdom and reassurance, drawing from his unique experience as a hockey referee to tackle the intricacies of legal disputes.Divorce isn't just a legal battle; it's an emotional odyssey that necessitates a comprehensive support system. Ian emphasizes the critical importance of assembling a team that includes not only legal but financial and emotional advisors. Whether it's the initial guilt some clients feel or the anger that may bubble up as cases drag on, he provides practical advice on managing these feelings and making informed decisions. And for those daunted by the task of narrating the story of their relationship to a legal audience, Ian breaks down where to start and the elements to focus on for a compelling and clear presentation.As we peer into the future of divorce law, we recognize the evolving nature of the courtroom, now extending into the virtual space, and the need for maintaining decorum within this novel setting. Steinberg shares his '24-hour rule,' a vital strategy for keeping emotions in check when crafting communications that could sway the outcome of a case. Together, we explore how this rule, alongside the principle of imagining a judge as the ultimate reader of all correspondence, can steer both lawyers and clients towards more mindful interactions within the often heated arena of family law. Join us for an episode that masterfully balances the art of legal strategy with the human touch essential in guiding clients through one of life's most challenging passages.
May 1, 2024
45 min
Navigating Legal Abuse with Trauma-Informed Strategies
Send us a Text Message.Facing the stormy seas of legal disputes can be a daunting voyage, especially when domestic abuse and financial strains are at the helm. Brittany Blaney of Elm Law and Divorce Buddy joins us to navigate through these turbulent waters, offering her seasoned perspectives on legal abuse in the family law realm. Our conversation charts a course through the complexities of combatting such abuse within the judicial system, where Brittany's expertise shines a light on the importance of community, storytelling, and strategic financial planning to ease the burden of lengthy legal battles.As we traverse the delicate territory of trauma-informed legal practice, we explore the critical balance lawyers must maintain when advising clients who carry the weight of complex PTSD. We discuss the therapeutic power of journaling for those entangled in the legal process, and how attorneys can establish boundaries while compassionately guiding clients through the recounting of their experiences. These narratives not only serve the legal strategy but also offer clients a measure of solace and clarity – a dual benefit not to be overlooked in the quest for justice.In the final leg of our journey, we cast a light on the innovative Divorce Buddy service, designed to support individuals representing themselves amidst the legal fray. Brittany steers us through the common hazards self-represented litigants face, the significance of procedural savvy, and why responding to vexatious litigation with measured tactics can prevent the court system from becoming a weapon against the vulnerable. Concluding our insightful exchange, Brittany shares how to tap into the wealth of guidance she offers both in and out of the courtroom, ensuring our listeners have a compass to find their way through any legal storm.
Apr 29, 2024
36 min
Asserting Disabilities Rights in Family Court
Send us a Text Message.Navigating the labyrinth of family court is daunting enough, but when you're contending with a disability, the stakes and stress can multiply. That's where Donna Drumm steps in – a New York attorney and certified advocate for Americans with Disabilities who joins us to shed light on the less-discussed accommodations in family court. Donna's expertise offers a lifeline to those feeling overwhelmed, providing key insights into the wide-ranging definition of disabilities and the intricacies of requesting necessary court accommodations without compromising one's privacy or case.This episode goes beyond the courtroom, delving into the personal battles many face with invisible disabilities such as PTSD and depression. We unpack the subtleties of how these conditions can affect decision-making and communication, crucial components in legal battles, and the importance of acknowledging changes in behavior. Donna emphasizes the value of clear communication with your attorney and demystifies the often misunderstood relationship between intellectual ability and executive functioning. With Donna's compassionate guidance, listeners are equipped not just with knowledge, but with a powerful sense of understanding and advocacy in navigating the legal system with a disability.
Apr 26, 2024
36 min
Expert Advice on Selling Your Home Amidst Divorce
Send us a Text Message.Unlock the secrets to successfully selling your home during the emotional maelstrom of a divorce with help from Jen Purzycki of Purzycki. As a certified real estate divorce specialist, Jen brings a compassionate yet strategic approach to navigating the choppy waters of property sales amidst separation. Together, we explore the nooks and crannies of splitting assets and addressing the unique challenges of high-conflict resolution, offering practical advice for those facing the daunting task of managing such delicate transitions. Our conversation bridges the gap between personal recovery from coercive control and professional guidance, providing solace and solutions to listeners in similar straits.The episode moves beyond simple logistics, stressing the importance of preparing your home for the market while deeply entangled in the complexities of a divorce. From untangling equity and sorting through capital gains tax exemptions to the crucial role that divorce coaches and forensic CPAs play, we cover it all. The financial implications are vast, and the emotional toll on the parties, especially children, cannot be understated. This episode isn't just a how-to on real estate; it's a beacon of hope and a guide for finding solid footing when life seems to be shifting beneath your feet. Join us on this journey as we lay out a roadmap for those looking to sell their shared home and turn over a new leaf.
Apr 24, 2024
27 min
Insider Legal Strategies for Smoother Co-Parenting
Send us a Text Message.Navigating the turbulent waters of co-parenting after a high-conflict divorce can be an emotional rollercoaster for everyone involved. We're fortunate to have Asia Scarlett-Jones, a seasoned family law attorney from New York City, join us to explore the complexities and emotional impact of custody disputes. Her insights are poignant, highlighting the importance of prioritizing children's welfare above all and addressing the sensitive implications of domestic violence allegations on custody arrangements. As we wade through the day-to-day struggles of the residential parent, Asia's expertise shines a light on the often-invisible challenges, from homework supervision to medical appointments, and the delicate balance these parents must strike.Our in-depth discussion also delves into the nuances of reintegrating absent parents into their children's lives, a process often fraught with tension. Asia guides us through the court's approach to this delicate situation, advocating for gradual steps tailored to the child's emotional needs. The "fun parent" dynamic surfaces, and we dissect the implications for both the non-residential parent's sporadic involvement and the residential parent's consistent, routine care. Moreover, Asia underscores the pitfalls of poor communication, particularly in our digital era, and the necessity of presenting a positive and respectful online presence during legal family disputes.By the end of our conversation, it's clear that the path to harmonious co-parenting is one that requires self-awareness, personal growth, and a thorough understanding of legal intricacies. Asia emphasizes the need to separate one's role as a former partner from their ongoing role as a parent and addresses common missteps that can hinder effective co-parenting. She also introduces the transformative potential of subscription-based legal services, a boon for families seeking accessible, ongoing legal support. This episode promises to be an enlightening resource for anyone facing the intricate dance of co-parenting and custody challenges.
Apr 22, 2024
39 min
Narcissism and Weaponization of Religion
Send us a Text Message.Join us for a captivating discussion with the wonderful Chelsey Brooke Cole, a narcissistic abuse recovery therapist and author, as we eagerly await the launch of her insightful book, "If I'd Only Known." In our conversation, we navigate the complexities of narcissism and the journey towards healing from relational trauma. Chelsey expertly dissects her book's three-part structure: unraveling the intricacies of narcissism, guiding us through the healing of trauma and the trauma bond, and offering strategies for post-traumatic growth. Moreover, we shed light on the insidious nature of religious abuse, a topic that Chelsey emphasizes is on the rise and causing hidden distress for many.Listen in as we explore the unsettling prevalence of narcissism within religious communities, sparking a thought-provoking examination of whether these spiritual environments are more susceptible to narcissistic personalities. Our dialogue touches on how narcissists may misuse religious platforms to gain power and evade accountability, exploiting values like forgiveness. By identifying these behaviors, we aim to foster safer religious spaces, emphasizing that awareness is key to maintaining one's faith while being vigilant of manipulation.The conversation then delves into the manipulation tactics narcissists use in church communities, exploiting the inherent trust of the congregation. We discuss the concept of spiritual abuse, stressing the importance of trusting one's instincts against the backdrop of outward piety. The challenge of exposing wrongdoing within these tight-knit communities is not lost on us, and we highlight the additional obstacles survivors face when their experiences are met with disbelief. This enlightening episode not only informs but also serves as a beacon of support for those seeking to navigate and heal from the entanglements of narcissistic abuse within religious settings.
Apr 19, 2024
33 min
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