In this episode, we wade into one of the filthiest pools in the bookish world: whether you can separate the art from the artist—and what supporting a problematic creator says about you, your values, and where your money goes.We wrestle with the complicated legacies of J.K. Rowling, Orson Scott Card, Roald Dahl, Neil Gaiman, and several other writers whose work has meant a great deal to readers despite their reprehensible words, beliefs, or alleged actions. We talk about whether death changes the equation, and how consuming something you already own is different from buying it today.There are no easy answers here. Mostly, we ask you to think about your consumption, and accept that the line between art and artist may be different for everyone.In Hot Goss, we cleanse the palate with less horrifying (but still infuriating) story of literary agents feeding querying authors’ manuscripts into AI.Content warning: This episode includes discussions of racism, antisemitism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, sexual harassment, sexual assault, abuse, and other distressing subjects. We keep the most graphic details out of the conversation, but please take care of yourself and skip this one if you need to.Bad Lit Friends was created and is hosted by Meagan Thompson-Mann and Kirk Rafferty.Show email: [email protected]: @badlitfriends.bsky.social
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We're back from our unplanned hiatus with most of our brains intact! This week we're diving into dialogue: how to make your characters sound like real live humans talking to each other as opposed to two robots exchanging plot information in a robot factory (beep boop). It’s not an easy nut to crack, and we’re not promising to hand out any nutcrackers, but we have a few clues. It is also, when you get it right, one of the most fun things you will ever do as a writer. Way more fun than writing your name in a form at the DMV, for just one example!PLUS Hot Goss: an AI platform promising to write your query letter for you (absolutely do not do this), a book title that gave us a small (tiny) pause, Meagan gets the name of an awesome Bay Area bookshop wrong (that cat is SLEEPY, not lazy!), and a Threads discourse about a single word that somehow, inevitably, became about ableism. The internet remains ungovernable, as do we. Welcome to Bad Lit Friends. We're glad you're here, even if none of us know what we're doing. Bad Lit Friends was created and is hosted by Meagan Thompson-Mann and Kirk Rafferty.Show email: ⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠Bluesky: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@badlitfriends.bsky.social⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Threads: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@badlitfriends⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@badlitfriends⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@BadLitFriends⁠⁠⁠⁠Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠badlitfriends.com⁠⁠⁠Show notes:BBC Radio 4 Dramas playlist on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJmAFKECAKUgRkbhCEgO95Rl2F7LQQjA1 Sleepy Cat Bookshop, Berkeley (yes I know I said Lazy Cat!): https://www.sleepycatbooks.com/Oxford University Online creative writing courses (where Meagan honed her dialogue chops): https://lifelong-learning.ox.ac.uk/course-subject/creative-writing/

We're not dead! Well, Kirk is only mostly dead, nursing the dreaded lurgy (mostly upright and occasionally coherent!) and Meagan is back from getting hitched in the Bay Area, so this week you get almost three minutes of us instead of a real episode. Meagan goes on a tangent about nasal swab Covid tests that gets very weird and very gross. No refunds on listening, sorry.The real episode — on dialogue, for real for real — drops June 26th. Kirk has pointy sticks and has promised to use them on Meagan if she flakes. Ouch!Welcome to Bad Lit Friends. We’re glad you’re here, even if none of us know what we’re doing.Bad Lit Friends was created and is hosted by Meagan Thompson-Mann and Kirk Rafferty.Show email: ⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠Bluesky: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@badlitfriends.bsky.social⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Threads: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@badlitfriends⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@badlitfriends⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@BadLitFriends⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠badlitfriends.com⁠⁠⁠Show notes:Only mostly dead is slightly alive! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbE8E1ez97M

ATTENTION S'IL VOUS PLAÎTBad Lit Friends is on a brief and extremely glamorous hiatus this week: Meagan got MARRIED and Madame Covid has captured Kirk in her warm, virulent embrace. Between a wedding and a plague, we decided the responsible thing to do was nothing. Hey, we're Gen X; slackerdom is our cultural inheritance.We should be back next week (fingers crossed) with all our usual nonsense. Until then, read a book that hasn't been cancelled (yet) on BookTok or go seek some righteous indignation reading an absolutely braindead book take on Threads, and we will see you soon.Welcome to Bad Lit Friends. We’re glad you’re here, even if none of us know what we’re doing.Bad Lit Friends was created and is hosted by Meagan Thompson-Mann and Kirk Rafferty.Show email: ⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠Bluesky: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@badlitfriends.bsky.social⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Threads: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@badlitfriends⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@badlitfriends⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@BadLitFriends⁠⁠⁠⁠Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠badlitfriends.com⁠⁠Show notes:Proof Meagan got married! Wedding tax here.Covid is still real, y'all. KFF Global COVID-19 Tracker

Part Three of the Author Industrial Complex—we promise this is the last one! This week: the passion v. the grind (and what happens when your deeply beloved creative pursuit starts feeling like a second job you definitely didn’t apply for), performing positivity online when you’re dying inside, and introverts who want the world to read their deeply personal work but please don’t look at them directly (no, no, nay never). We also talk about giving yourself grace when the words aren’t coming, why envy is normal and human and you should feel it and then let it go, and why this is NOT a zero sum game even when it can feel a lot like one.PLUS Hot Goss: a querying author landed an agent and then bragged about using AI to write his book in his QueryTracker success interview. Friend. FRIEND. Also, Meagan introduces the world to her long-running productivity system called Oppressed Socialist Worker and explains why you should absolutely play it. Consider it a gift!Welcome to Bad Lit Friends. We’re glad you’re here, even if none of us know what we’re doing.Bad Lit Friends was created and is hosted by Meagan Thompson-Mann and Kirk Rafferty.Show email: ⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠Bluesky: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@badlitfriends.bsky.social⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Threads: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@badlitfriends⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@badlitfriends⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@BadLitFriends⁠⁠⁠Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠badlitfriends.com⁠⁠Show notes: Anne Wells’ Instagram is SO SO SO GOOD! https://www.instagram.com/aewells_writes/Anastasia Bloomwood’s Instagram post that made Meagan stop hating everything for a few minutes: https://www.instagram.com/p/DY4cYISkTnj/?img_index=2&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3DA piece of Hell is for sale! https://people.com/a-piece-of-hell-can-be-yours-as-michigan-tourist-destination-hits-the-market-for-usd625k-11981702The Hot Chef rabbit hole is deep and wide and I don’t even know where you should start but why not here? https://www.threads.com/@itsalittleteapot/post/DZDcedZCYen?xmt=AQG0JYT2EeTYrIobhWPutWACF4azDp8FJsgi9tpR--I8Fjm6e0HhhfYw9dKR_VaOI3zqeHs&slof=1

We're back with Part 2 of The Author Industrial Complex, a series that was totally planned and not just us having too many feelings and very little discipline! This week, we discuss how to balance serving your readers without losing your mind or your voice (you can only choose one, so choose wisely); pen names for fun and profit*; why romance writing is for everyone; ARC reviewer entitlement; and how writing about an awful person does NOT equal endorsement despite whatever some rando on Threads named Monica may accuse you of. (Seriously Monica, that is not what Nabokov was writing about.)Plus in Hot Goss: an update about the fake literary agency that turned out to be a book marketing campaign powered by unfeasible amount of AI. Gross. Very gross. So gross. No one was harmed in the making of this episode except our faith in humanity. Again.*Bad Lit Friends does not guarantee any profits from your writing. No backsies, no giveses, so there.Welcome to Bad Lit Friends. We're glad you're here, even if none of us know what we're doing.Bad Lit Friends was created and is hosted by Meagan Thompson-Mann and Kirk Rafferty.Show email: ⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠Bluesky: ⁠⁠⁠⁠@badlitfriends.bsky.social⁠⁠⁠⁠ Threads: ⁠⁠⁠⁠@badlitfriends⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠@badlitfriends⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@BadLitFriends⁠⁠Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠badlitfriends.com⁠Show notes:Meagan's underappreciated Woodward and Bernstein moment on Bluesky about the literary agency that wasn't: https://bsky.app/profile/thecrumpet.bsky.social/post/3mlm6epvbyc2w

This week, Meagan is away, and Kirk is joined by fantasy author Anne Wells for an in-depth conversation about the emotional craft of fiction writing: how to bring all the feels instead of just pelting readers with plot points and explosions for 300 pages.We talked about interiority, emotional layering, flawed characters, trauma done well versus trauma...um...not done well, and why you should give readers a chance to breathe (hint: so you can emotionally destroy them again.) Also discussed: horror novels, Soviet bowling alleys, Studio Ghibli, Heath Ledger’s Joker, and the deeply cursed YA Tough Girl archetype.Anne breaks down how she approaches emotional arcs in her own writing, including the challenge of balancing dread, wonder, longing, and fear. Kirk mostly uses this as an opportunity to realize he now has to go back and rewrite all his books. Again.No Hot Goss this week (booooo!) but you're gonna love us anyway!Welcome to Bad Lit Friends. We're glad you're here, even if none of us know what we're doing.Bad Lit Friends was created and is hosted by Meagan Thompson-Mann and Kirk Rafferty.Show email: ⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠Bluesky: ⁠⁠⁠⁠@badlitfriends.bsky.social⁠⁠⁠⁠ Threads: ⁠⁠⁠⁠@badlitfriends⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠@badlitfriends⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@BadLitFriends⁠⁠Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠badlitfriends.com⁠⁠⁠Show notes:Go visit Anne's website and sign up for her newsletter so you can get her free short story!https://aewells-writes.comAnd give Anne a follow on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/a.e.wells.writes/Books:Craft books:The Emotional Craft of Fiction by Donald MaassStory Genius by Lisa CronKirk's recommended horror reads:The Buffalo Hunter HunterAmerican Rapture by C. J. LeedeAnne's recommended Fantasy read:Gardens of the Moon by Steven Erikson

This week we're talking about all the ways authors are pulled in opposing directions: branding, marketability, genre expectations, comp titles, platform anxiety, and the increasingly cursed reality that writing a book also requires becoming a product.We unpack the push-pull between art and commerce, why publishing wants your book to be both completely original and exactly like three recent bestsellers, and the emotional consequences of trying to stay authentic while also remaining marketable.And in Hot Goss: a querying writer decides to get a little too creative, and we remind everyone that a query letter is, in fact, a professional document.Welcome to Bad Lit Friends. We're glad you're here, even if none of us know what we're doing.Bad Lit Friends was created and is hosted by Meagan Thompson-Mann and Kirk Rafferty.Show email: ⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠Bluesky: ⁠⁠⁠@badlitfriends.bsky.social⁠⁠⁠ Threads: ⁠⁠⁠@badlitfriends⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠@badlitfriends⁠⁠⁠YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@BadLitFriends⁠Website: ⁠⁠⁠badlitfriends.com⁠⁠

Oyez! Oyez! Oyez! The Court of Bad Lit Friends is now in session, and the defendants have been waiting a looooong time for their day of reckoning. In this episode, we don our very snazzy judicial robes and put character archetypes on trial, because after five thousand years of showing up in every story ever told, it's time to ask some tough questions. Are these archetypes still earning their keep, or just showing up for a paycheck? Are they so trite and ubiquitous that they need to be escorted from the building post haste? The BLF tribunal will decide and while the quality of mercy is not strained, not every ruling will droppeth as the gentle rain. The verdicts may surprise you. Or not. You know what we’re like by now.Plus: Hot Goss takes a hard right turn into territory we cannot fully explain that will become immediately obvious when you listen to the episode. What we will say is this: some aesthetic choices are not defensible in a court of law or anywhere else. No further questions; the prosecution absolutely rests.Welcome to Bad Lit Friends. We're glad you're here, even if none of us know what we're doing.Bad Lit Friends was created and is hosted by Meagan Thompson-Mann and Kirk Rafferty.Show email: ⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠Bluesky: ⁠⁠@badlitfriends.bsky.social⁠⁠ Threads: ⁠⁠@badlitfriends⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠@badlitfriends⁠⁠YouTube: ⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@BadLitFriendsWebsite: ⁠⁠badlitfriends.com⁠Show notes: RMFW Colorado Gold Rush Literary Awards – submissions open through May 25, 2026: https://www.rmfw.org/colorado_gold_rush_literary_aw.phpRomancing the Stone trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LX2zfbF0RsThe Pirate and the Pagan by Virginia Henley – the book Meagan was convinced had a main character named Rogue, but it’s not, it’s Ruark, and Meagan probably needs to take some Prevagen: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/886620.The_Pirate_and_the_Pagan

Description: This week, we’re talking villains: the delicious ones, the flat ones, and the ones you love to ruin your main characters' lives with.We get into what separates a villain from an antagonist, why your best bad guys need motives beyond “mwahaha” and twirly mustaches, and how to make them compelling. We also talk about why the most interesting villains are usually just your protagonist flipped inside-out (gross). We also unpack their own resident monsters, and why sometimes the real villain is, as ever, capitalism.In Hot Goss: the deeply suspect Manning Literary Agency, its eerily static TikTok “agent,” and the increasingly plausible theory that Nigel Carlisle is involved in a water-wasting, energy-sucking, environmentally-unfriendly AI-powered romance. We have questions. Rude questions.Welcome to Bad Lit Friends. We’re glad you’re here, even if none of us know what we’re doing.Bad Lit Friends was created and is hosted by Meagan Thompson-Mann and Kirk Rafferty.Show email: ⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠Bluesky: ⁠⁠⁠@badlitfriends.bsky.social⁠⁠⁠Threads: ⁠⁠⁠@badlitfriends⁠⁠⁠Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠@badlitfriends⁠⁠⁠YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@BadLitFriends⁠⁠⁠Website: ⁠⁠⁠badlitfriends.com⁠⁠Show notes:Meagan has a $20 off coupon code for Dabble to share! Check show notes. https://app.dabblewriter.com?referralCode=8XMRGP2P The Manning Literary Agency: Google it, we can't bring ourselves to actually link it.The Hamspsterdance song: https://youtu.be/6WpMlwVwydoThe Pikes Peak Writers: https://pikespeakwriters.org/Rocky Mountain Fiction Writers Colorado Gold Conference: https://www.rmfw.org/conference_homepage.phpBLF After Dark: https://badlitfriends.com