Jeremy Dunn & Julie Krasniak (Founders of The Athletic) chat with Ian about socks, the Portland endurance community, cycling, and design. They also discuss how they manage their day to day running a brand, retail store, and art gallery.

Jedd Rose (Co-Founder and Creative Director at Topo Designs) chats with Ian about growing up in the west, building and scaling brands, launching women's apparel, the outdoor industry, and domestic manufacturing. Our theme music is Punk Rock vs. Swiss Modernism by Double Dagger