A Rock and A Hard Place
A Rock and A Hard Place
Mineral Choices
Welcome to A Rock and A Hard Place, a podcast brought to you by Mineral Choices. In each episode, Dr Saleem Ali and Thomas Hale speak to experts about the integral but too often hidden role of minerals in our modern world. From complex communications infrastructure to next-generation clean energy solutions, minerals are the key to unlocking a brighter and sustainable future. However, supplying enough minerals to meet the world’s ever-increasing demand is a significant challenge. Stuck with a choice between accelerating conventional mining activities and finding new alternative mineral resources, what is the global solution to this global problem?
Opportunities and Obstacles for Deep-Sea Mining
Join me for part two of my conversation with Erika Ilves, Head of Strategy & Business Development at The Metals Company as we discuss some of the opportunities of deep-sea mining and the real challenges and obstacles still being dealt with politically, socially, and economically in the field.  Erika also provides some insights on how we can begin to engage in thoughtful discussions on where we source our metals and the immense challenges of a metal-intense energy future. With our options limited and timelines for net-zero and energy goals drawing closer, society will need to find answers to these global challenges surrounding mineral supply chains.
Jun 2, 2023
13 min
The Fundamentals of Deep-Sea Mining
Join me on this exciting episode as I speak with Erika Ilves, Head of Strategy & Business Development at The Metals Company, about the fundamentals behind deep-sea mining. We start out discussion off by learning about what deep-sea mining is and the diversity of mineral resources in the ocean. Erika informs viewers on the different types of metal resources found within these deposits and why TMC has decided to focus its efforts on deep-sea nodules. We also discuss the techniques and processes behind extracting nodules from the ocean floor. Erika also begins to discuss the opportunities and challenges that are presented with moving forward with deep-sea mining, busting some of the common myths often have about this type of mining. Most importantly, Erika emphasizes the increasing demand for metals necessary to support the energy transition and why TMC believes deep-sea mining provides a unique alternative to land-based mining operations. Be sure to check out part two next week as we dive deeper into the politics of deep-sea mining and the environmental discourse around the subject. 
May 19, 2023
23 min
Challenges in Artisanal and Small-Scale Mining
Join us for part 2 with Hugh Brown as we identify some of the common challenges in ASM he has observed throughout his travels. We also learn more about how his photography attempts to bring humanity to these important issues, rather than dismissing the reality of millions who depend on the sector to survive. Hugh also provides some commentary on the common ASM myths he often hears and tries to explain how the reality of these challenges are much more complex and difficult to address than simply removing our supply chains from these countries. 
May 12, 2023
15 min
The Power of Photography and Artisanal and Small-Scale Mining
Join us this week as we have Hugh Brown on the podcast, a best selling documentary photographer passionate about telling stories about the artisanal and small-scale mining sector. In this episode, we talk about the power of photography in telling stories about the people involved in this sector and how it is often the case that the images we see in the news and across the world focusing on ASM are typically used for political purposes rather than calls for action to reform and provide opportunity for the millions that depend on the sector.  Hugh also provides some of his personal thoughts on how ASM is discussed in politics and the political obstacles communities face when it comes to sourcing metals. While many calls to action have been made, Hugh provides a critical review of these western countries as his travels have shown a much more complex and concerning reality on the ground. Finally, Hugh provides some common myths about the ASM sector, which he hopes to bust and find ways to open up the public's imaginary around the way these communities can be empowered for a better future rather than negatively targeted for current labor practices. These issues are highly controversial, but Hugh brings in his wealth of travel experience and connection with local communities to try to cut through the rhetoric and really understand how his work can bring awareness of these communities and the true potential they possess in being a key part in the global energy transition. 
Apr 28, 2023
18 min
Mineral Education Organizations and Best Practices in Geo-Communication
Join us for another episode with Courtney Onstad, a PhD candidate at Simon Fraser University in Vancouver, Canada. In this episode we discus some of the  best practices and methodologies that should be implemented in the geoscience communication space. Courtney also emphasizes the critical importance of early education and making good impressions with kids who may grow up to solve our future energy and mining challenges. We also discuss the role of mineral literacy organizations and their role in engaging with communities about their natural resources to emphasize why we mine and how it can be done sustainably through community involvement and monitoring. Finally, Courtney shares some thoughts about where the academic field of geoscience communication is headed next and the gaps which need to be filled by young professionals and thought leaders in the mineral and mining sphere. 
Apr 7, 2023
19 min
Geoscience Communication & Mineral Literacy
On this episode, I am joined by Courtney Onstad, a PhD candidate at Simon Fraser University in Vancouver, Canada, studying geoscience communication. Her research focuses on how science communication theory can inform geoscience communication practice, particularly in informal educational settings. Courtney first defines the concept of geoscience communication and how we can best implement it in a variety of academic, professional and public settings. We also discuss the importance of K-12 education and support when it comes to engaging in dialog about critical minerals and the energy transition. Without strong K-12 support, there will continue to be a gap in workforce development in the geoscience and mining field. Finally, Courtney discusses the difference between science communication and the gaps in literature between science communication and the world of geoscience. The clear take away? How scientists talk about their research and engage with both the public and policymakers is crucial when developing the future workforce and ensuring that critical mineral policy is well informed and promotes sustainable practices for the future. 
Mar 31, 2023
22 min
Gendered Impacts in Mining & Challenges for Women in ASM/LSM with Dr. Lynda Lawson
Join us for another conversation with Dr. Lynda Lawson, Senior Fellow at Queensland University’s Sustainable Minerals Institute (SMI). In this episode, Dr. Lawson highlights the roles of women in ASM and the gendered impacts in both the LSM/ASM sectors. The role women play in mining across many of Dr. Lawson’s field locations are incredibly important, not just from sorting, processing, and mining, but also through rehabilitation to improve former mining sites.  Dr. Lawson also highlights some of the serious challenges and unexpected opportunities of empowerment mining provides women. The gendered impacts in mining are important to highlight, especially when trying to formalize the ASM sector and improve ESG challenges in global mining communities. As stated in the first episode, it cannot be stressed enough how important it is that we do not vilify these communities, rather we must take serious action and care when speaking about these issues and the negative impacts our broader policies may have on populations dependent on mineral resource extraction. These are not easy conversations, but they are essential in developing a sustainable mining future. 
Mar 24, 2023
16 min
Artisanal and Small-Scale Mining (ASM) and Formalization with Dr. Lynda Lawson
Join us for a timely discussion about the artisanal and small-scale mining sector with Dr. Lynda Lawson, Senior Fellow at Queensland University’s Sustainable Minerals Institute (SMI). In this episode we provide a clear definition and description of artisanal mining, small-scale mining, and large-scale mining and the various environmental, social, and governance challenges behind them. Conversations in the news and public discourse have vilified the ASM sector, with photographs of children in the Democratic Republic of the Congo becoming talking points for politicians when discussing critical mineral supply. Dr. Lawson will point out the important role ASM plays in many communities across the globe and the negative effects that popular commentary have on efforts to improve and reform this sector. With millions of people employed by the sector, serious efforts have been made to formalize and find avenues to support local communities who are involved in local mining. 
Mar 17, 2023
21 min
Mineral Security Education and Energy Communication with Anna Broughel
Join us for the second episode with Dr. Anna Broughel as we discuss the importance of not only educating future mining engineers but also international affairs students and political scientists about the mineral challenges facing society. We explore why it is essential that educational  institutions in Washington D.C. teach about the mineral security nexus and the upstream challenges behind the energy transition.  Anna also emphasizes the importance of energy communication, or the ability for energy economists and thought leaders to be able to traverse both the policy and technical aspects of their work. Finally, Anna concludes with some remarks and words of advice for future energy leaders and why CELI provides young professionals with a strong network to support their future career. 
Mar 10, 2023
13 min
Energy Leadership & The Nexus of Energy Policy and Material Demands with Anna Broughel
Join myself and Dr. Anna Broughel, Director of Energy Leadership at Clean Energy Leadership Institute (CELI), VP of Communications at the U.S. Association of Energy Economics, and adjunct lecturer in energy economics at the School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS) at Johns Hopkins University as we discuss the importance of energy leadership and the nexus of energy policy and material demands.  It is essential that aspiring young professionals recognize that all of our energy policies have material demands which can be caught up in political, social, and economic obstacles. Achieving our lofty energy goals requires us to think upstream and recognize that many of these products start in the ground with minerals, which are the building blocks of our shared energy future. 
Mar 3, 2023
17 min
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