20s Convos with Wolé and Tobi

The one about season 2!(Remember to subscribe to the podcast on the app you're using right now so you don't miss out on when we drop new episodes. Make sure you also rate or leave a review on the podcast. Better ratings mean even more people find out about the podcast.)On this season's recap episode, we caught up with 5 of our friends (Oluwatosin, Tymele, Yemi, Chidinma, and Ojuolape) who have all been following the podcast this season. They talked about their favourite episodes, biggest takeaways, and topics they'd like to see us have a conversation about on future episodes.Follow us on Instagram to find out when we'll be back for our 3rd season!

The one about identity politics on a daily.(Remember to subscribe to the podcast on the app you're using right now so you don't miss out on when we drop new episodes. Make sure you also rate or leave a review on the podcast. Better ratings mean even more people find out about the podcast.)...Us vs ThemMen vs WomenWhite vs BlacksLiberals vs ConservativesPro-Choice vs Pro-Life...etc. vs etc. There is a growing concern for us about how we each see the world nowadays.We've been thinking, do we judge people as individuals or do we judge them by the group they’re affiliated with?Do we judge others based on how they look, the politicians they voted for, or do we judge them by their thoughts, reasoning, and logic?Do we rush to assume a lack of deeper understanding when we run into atheists or do we claim some form of superior intelligence when we encounter theists?How about when we meet someone who is Black? White? Asian? conservative? liberal? Do we assume we know the kinds of people they are based on a collective? or do we seek to understand each person's story?...Often we forget that people are much more than societal labels. We become guilty of prejudice, not giving enough credence to the stories beneath the surface.So on this final episode of our second season, we explored and shared our thoughts around identity politics and its effect on how we relate with the world today. (You can follow 20s Convos on Instagram to join the conversation! We put out quotes, polls, and clips from each episode every week.) Key Timestamps[01:54] - Categorising our group identities[12:37] - Digging deep into the concept of diversity[28:36] - When can identity politics be good or bad?[32:32] - Thoughts on people getting more fragile and easily offended[50:07] - The state of the world today

The one about the Machiavellian Man.Which male “dark archetypes” do you recognise? Playboy? Bad Boy? Loverboy? Rake? Yoruba demon? Heartbreaker? Ladies man? The boy next door? And which of these archetypes would you high-five, find attractive or rebuke?Where do you draw the line?--Research shows that the dark traits of narcissism, psychopathy and Machiavellianism are more common with men than women. Besides, our social lives will also offer some proof. We all have one/two/three-degree female connections that have been left in despair/trauma as a result of encounters with males with these traits.Whether these archetypes/traits are attractive to females is not the question or argument here.The difficulty and genuine confusion for us is understanding the unspoken motivations and reasons behind the manipulative, coercive, apathetic, and entitled behaviours some of us males exhibit in our pursuit of short to long relationships.So we sat down together to openly and self-critically talk about this, reflecting on our past and present experiences.--Remember to subscribe to the podcast on the app you're using right now and follow 20s Convos on Instagram to join the conversation! We put out quotes, polls, and clips from each episode every week. Timestamps[06:19]- Thoughts on the male archetypes[09:39] - Archetypes we fall into[12:18] - Archetypes we draw the line on[20:19] - Thoughts on why males consciously mess up females[35:35] - Thoughts on the socially acceptable strategies of chasing short/long term relationships[45:44] - Potential "benefits" of being promiscuous?

The one about bridging generational gaps.In recent years, there's been a common misconception that Gen Z and Millennials are essentially the same.Sure, there is a case to be made for the generational overlaps that exist between them, but we can’t really deny that there are a lot of fundamental differences with how both generations were raised and their views about life.These differences seem to find expression in our views about technology, the economy, politics, education, career paths, religion, spirituality, family, equality, social justice and a lot more.This was a conversation between 2 Millennials (your hosts) and 2 folks from generation Z (@sirjvmes & @adeyybasqi) Remember to subscribe to the podcast on the app you're using right now and follow 20s Convos on Instagram to join the conversation! We put out quotes, polls, and clips from each episode every week. Timestamps[03:24] - Generational landmarks[06:24] - Guest introductions[09:42] - Generational differences[13:34] -Social media preferences[18:26] - Generational stereotypes[30:26] - Inter-generation dating[34:50] - Halfway message[35:30] - Gen z and Millenials thoughts on marriage[41:40] - Thoughts on each generation's global impact[47: 43] - Modern ‘careers‘[53:36] - Final thoughts

The one about entrepreneurs and 9-5ers.If you are a 9-5er, you’ve probably heard those people say: “You should be building your dream and not building the dream of others”, or “I don’t date people that do 9-5”, or “working for a company is modern slavery”, or “go and read Rich Dad Poor Dad!!!”If you are an entrepreneur, you’ve probably also heard these words: “Who are you to start a business?”, or “your idea cannot work”, or “you’re just trying to avoid hard work” or “9 out of 10 businesses fail!”It’s almost become part of the culture to categorise people based on their job trajectories.But is building a company better than a building a career or the other way around and are there constraints to taking any of those positions?On this episode, we sat down with two brilliant women, @abiolaayanleye and @mint___oo  to talk about the pits between entrepreneurship and 9-5s, the overlooked rationales in those debates, and our personal experiences of what each camp brings that aren’t easily seen by everyone. Remember to subscribe to the podcast on the app you're using right now and follow 20s Convos on Instagram to join the conversation! We put out quotes, polls, and clips from each episode every week. Timestamps[02:00] - Introduction[07:19] - Pros and Cons [20:22] - Thoughts on the “pop culture” of entrepreneurship[29:50] - The “uninspiring” perception of a 9-5[33:34] - Thoughts on “passion” vs “convenience”[41:55] - Gender-related issues/barriers[50:40]- Thoughts on potential impact of family life on building a career/company[1:03:00] - Final words

The one about the reality of raising kids.First off, there is a lot of research out there that shows most parents learn parenting practices from their own parents - some they accept and some they discard.Another popular view that gets thrown around a lot is that it takes a village to raise a child. That said, it looks like millennial parents are raising their kids differently than any generation before them.With the internet, parents now seem to know more about child development than ever before. The bad news though, it can be overwhelming and sometimes disempowering. Sometimes the truth behind all the cute kid posts on social media is that parents are agonising about daily decisions, keeping up appearances and struggling with their new identities.So on this episode, we caught up with an old-time friend, Afolake, to explore a bit about how we were raised as kids and how we think that will translate to our prospective/current approach to parenthood. Remember to subscribe to the podcast on the app you're using right now and follow 20s Convos on Instagram to join the conversation! We put out quotes, polls, and clips from each episode every week. Timestamps[06:58] - Expectations about parenthood[10:34] - Parenting methods[27:55] - Fears about raising kids[46:55] - "Half-time"[47:27] - When's the best time to have kids?[57:21] - Surrogacy[59:41] - Adoption[1:00:05] - Househubands and Housewives[1:03:57] - Vasectomies and Tubal Ligations

The one about domestic workers and cultural nuances.Did you grow up in a house with live-in help? How many? How much do you remember about how they were treated? How much about them did you know? When did they finally leave? Did they run away? Here’s the thing, UNICEF considers domestic work to be among the lowest status and reports that most child domestic workers are live-in workers and are under the round-the-clock control of their employers.According to one of its reports, “A staggering 15 million children under the age of 14 are working across Nigeria”.They are generally children from very poor homes, whose parents cannot afford to send them to school or train them in a particular profession or trade.Nigeria’s laws regarding the minimum age of employment are inconsistent where the Child Rights Act prohibits those under 18 from working, yet the Labour Act sets the minimum age of employment at 12.So we thought it was worth throwing a bit more light on domestic workers and cultural nuances surrounding the “industry”. Remember to subscribe to the podcast on the app you're using right now and follow 20s Convos on Instagram to join the conversation! We put out quotes, polls, and clips from each episode every week.Timestamps[00:30] - Setting the context[03:24] - Our experiences with live-in help[07:07] - The historical context of domestic work[09:41] - The middlemen and the "supply network"[14:32] - Our future plans concerning live-in help[23:06] - Underage domestic workers[25:03] - Decoupling the responsibilities/workload[25:46] - Were our parents "bad" people for having live-in help?[28:07] - Househelp or Modern-day slave?[34:18] - The abuse of domestic workers

The one about the tension between fitness and body positivity--The body positivity movement tells us to love and accept our bodies regardless of physical ability, size, or appearance, which is true. The fitness industry tells us we should exercise regularly and pursue fitness goals, which is also true.But almost everyone at some point in their lives has struggled with body image. In our current looks-obsessed society, it’s almost impossible not to. A question then is where is the healthy line between wanting to push yourself to reach your body goals and being comfortable in your own skin?This episode featured the amazing Mishael, one of Wole's friends.Remember to subscribe to the podcast on the app you're using right now and follow 20s Convos on Instagram to join the conversation! We put out quotes, polls, and clips from each episode every week.Timestamps[02:19] - Setting the context[03:57] - Body shaming while growing up[09:06] - Defining Body Positivity[13:16] - The culture of validation, movements and advocation[14:14] - Exploring the “downsides” of Body Positivity[15:01] - Talking about insecurities[30:00] - Body Positivity and resulting lifestyles[32:23] - Personal Health and Collective Responsibility[44:49] - The effect of culture on Body Positivity[52:50] - The relationship between social classes and health[1:01:41] - Wrapping up

The one about love and attraction through algorithms....Who needs to wait to be introduced to a crush or wait to run into them at the mall a couple of times in a row while picking up groceries... Nope, not anymore.Online dating/dating apps have become widespread and revolutionised how we pursue relationships. It has broken down the need for proximity, made the chances of dating (“casual” or serious) more achievable, and given everyone a fair chance.Or has it? 🤔This was a conversation about our experiences and thoughts about scanning, swiping and matching.Remember to subscribe to the podcast on the app you're using right now and follow 20s Convos on Instagram to join the conversation! We put out quotes, polls, and clips from each episode every week.Timestamps[01:35] - The context[14:46] - The success of dating apps[26:28] - Girls and the lack of "game"[35:45] - Over-reliance on online connections[56:42] - Selection metrics

The one about finding our way through feminism....Last season, we spoke about the problem with men, focusing on some unhealthy traits that we're known to exhibit. While this episode is not a direct opposite, this time, we put the spotlight on women.This was an open conversation centred around feminism and how aspects of the movement continue to manifest in our everyday lives. Clearly, we as men don’t have to contend with the issues women have to deal with on a regular, and that's one of the reasons why we brought on a friend, Seyitan. ...Remember to subscribe to the podcast on the app you're using right now and follow 20s Convos on Instagram to join the conversation! We put out quotes, polls, and clips from each episode every week.Timestamps[00:39] - Defining feminism[05:37] - Male Privilege[09:17] - Women and Privilege[14:50] - Is life easier being a man or being a woman?[24:00] - Marriage and flawed perceptions[26:20] - Equality in marriage[28:35] - Male Feminists[36:10] - Possible solutions[45:00] - Wrapping up