In this episode, Kaila and Kyle are joined by Cherry Miao, CFO of Hightouch, who gets into the art of conducting an effective job interview, how she susses out a job candidate’s mindset, and what she thinks should be changed about the job interview process in general. She also breaks down the skills that are most important to hone in each stage of your career—from your first entry-level job all the way to the C-Suite.  00:00 Intro 01:06 The art of the interview, and how Cherry identifies top talent in interviews 07:27 The blameless retro 09:26 Mindset vs skillset 11:05 What Cherry would like to see changed about the hiring process 13:25 The anti-sell interview 15:29 The most important skill to develop as an early career professional 18:41 Advice for the transition into mid-career 23:37 What C-suite level professionals should be focused on Want to get all of Kaila & Kyle’s career resources? Subscribe to Per My Last Email: https://www.permylastemailshow.com/  Watch Per My Last Email on YouTube:   @PerMYLastEmailShow Follow Per My Last Email Instagram: @permylastemailshow TikTok: @permylastemailshow Twitter: @permylast_email Have a question for us? Send us an email or voice note to [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Each week on Per My Last Email, Morning Brew’s resident career experts Kaila and Kyle – whose careers have collectively spanned the corporate, government, nonprofit and startup sectors – debate the trickiest challenges in work life, and share tactics on how to overcome them. Share the show with a friend, and leave us a review on your favorite podcast app! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Kaila and Kyle are debating ambition: do you really need to be super ambitious to have a successful career? What level of ambition is the ideal amount? And can you be ambitious in both work and life in equal measure? 00:00 Intro 01:21 How we’re defining “ambition” 05:42 Can you succeed without ambition? 13:30 What is the opposite of ambition? 17:05 Kaila’s framework for thinking about the qualities necessary for career success 18:18 How ambitious SHOULD you be? 24:04 Can you be ambitious at work and have some level of work life balance? 27:07 Advice if you’re questioning your own level of ambition 31:46 Work Rants Want to get all of Kaila & Kyle’s career resources? Subscribe to Per My Last Email: https://www.permylastemailshow.com/  Watch Per My Last Email on YouTube:   @PerMYLastEmailShow Follow Per My Last Email Instagram: @permylastemailshow TikTok: @permylastemailshow Twitter: @permylast_email Have a question for us? Send us an email or voice note to [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Each week on Per My Last Email, Morning Brew’s resident career experts Kaila and Kyle – whose careers have collectively spanned the corporate, government, nonprofit and startup sectors – debate the trickiest challenges in work life, and share tactics on how to overcome them. Share the show with a friend, and leave us a review on your favorite podcast app! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Kaila and Kyle are joined by author David Epstein to discuss the topic of his latest book, Inside the Box: How Constraints Make Us Better. Listen to hear why constraints increase both productivity and creativity, and how to implement them on your own to help you in work and life. 00:00 Intro 02:05 The story of General Magic 06:02 Additive bias 09:14 Brooks’s Law 12:34 How Bell Labs is an example of useful constraints 14:48 Can removing constraints ever be beneficial? 19:31 How do we build a constraint to prevent distraction? 23:49 David’s observations on AI’s impact on human productivity  27:30 Creativity and the Green Eggs and Ham Effect 31:07 What is the relationship between creativity, expertise, and constraints? 35:08 Is having unlimited professional options actually good career advice? 39:28 Decision-making and Fredkin’s Paradox  41:00 How David’s two books Range and Inside the Box tie into one another Want to get all of Kaila & Kyle’s career resources? Subscribe to Per My Last Email: https://www.permylastemailshow.com/  Watch Per My Last Email on YouTube:   @PerMYLastEmailShow Follow Per My Last Email Instagram: @permylastemailshow TikTok: @permylastemailshow Twitter: @permylast_email Have a question for us? Send us an email or voice note to [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Each week on Per My Last Email, Morning Brew’s resident career experts Kaila and Kyle – whose careers have collectively spanned the corporate, government, nonprofit and startup sectors – debate the trickiest challenges in work life, and share tactics on how to overcome them. Share the show with a friend, and leave us a review on your favorite podcast app! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Kaila and Kyle dig into the unspoken rules of social media at work. When is it okay to follow a colleague on Instagram? When is posting about your company empowering vs. harmful? And is it okay to have no social media presence at all? 00:00 Intro 00:58 Which social platforms you should and should not follow your coworkers on 08:05 A good rule of thumb for deciding whether or not to follow a coworker on Instagram 09:58 The most important thing to keep in mind when it comes to following on social media 18:11 Posting as a form of empowerment 21:32 Finding the balance between posting too much and posting too little 23:50 Should phones be banned from the office? Want to get all of Kaila & Kyle’s career resources? Subscribe to Per My Last Email: https://www.permylastemailshow.com/  Watch Per My Last Email on YouTube:   @PerMYLastEmailShow Follow Per My Last Email Instagram: @permylastemailshow TikTok: @permylastemailshow Twitter: @permylast_email Have a question for us? Send us an email or voice note to [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Each week on Per My Last Email, Morning Brew’s resident career experts Kaila and Kyle – whose careers have collectively spanned the corporate, government, nonprofit and startup sectors – debate the trickiest challenges in work life, and share tactics on how to overcome them. Share the show with a friend, and leave us a review on your favorite podcast app! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Kaila and Kyle are joined by Milly Tamati, the founder of generalist.world, to talk about the benefits of being a career generalist (vs. a specialist), what people get wrong about generalists, and how to start building a portfolio career.  00:00 Intro  01:29 Defining what a “generalist” is 02:27 What does a long-term generalist career look like? 04:42 What people get wrong about specialists vs generalists 07:39 How do you figure out your strengths and fit as a generalist? 14:52 What is a “portfolio career”? 21:16 Are there certain personalities that are best suited for a portfolio career? 23:06 How Milly is thinking about AI 27:03 Is it more beneficial in the long run to be a generalist given the AI boom? 31:57 Per My Last Policy Want to get all of Kaila & Kyle’s career resources? Subscribe to Per My Last Email: https://www.permylastemailshow.com/  Watch Per My Last Email on YouTube:   @PerMYLastEmailShow Follow Per My Last Email Instagram: @permylastemailshow TikTok: @permylastemailshow Twitter: @permylast_email Have a question for us? Send us an email or voice note to [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Each week on Per My Last Email, Morning Brew’s resident career experts Kaila and Kyle – whose careers have collectively spanned the corporate, government, nonprofit and startup sectors – debate the trickiest challenges in work life, and share tactics on how to overcome them. Share the show with a friend, and leave us a review on your favorite podcast app! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Kaila and Kyle discuss all things retirement—how the concept of retirement has changed, how they’re financially planning for their own retirements, and what their ideal retirement looks like.  00:00 Intro 01:33 What does retirement look like right now? 08:48 How Kaila and Kyle approach the financial element of retirement 12:58 Thinking about the non-financial aspects of retirement 22:30 Mini retirements 25:45 Where Kaila and Kyle plan to retire 31:13 Per My Last Policy This episode was sponsored by Granola. Head to granola.ai/brew to try Granola for free. That’s granola.ai/brew to try it today for FREE.  Find Granola-generated notes on this episode here: https://notes.granola.ai/t/a9006ea5-1bbd-41d5-855f-b456a44d2822-009c2hma Want to get all of Kaila & Kyle’s career resources? Subscribe to Per My Last Email: https://www.permylastemailshow.com/  Watch Per My Last Email on YouTube:   @PerMYLastEmailShow Follow Per My Last Email Instagram: @permylastemailshow TikTok: @permylastemailshow Twitter: @permylast_email Have a question for us? Send us an email or voice note to [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Each week on Per My Last Email, Morning Brew’s resident career experts Kaila and Kyle – whose careers have collectively spanned the corporate, government, nonprofit and startup sectors – debate the trickiest challenges in work life, and share tactics on how to overcome them. Share the show with a friend, and leave us a review on your favorite podcast app! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Kaila and Kyle are joined by author Brad Stulberg to dig into what we get wrong about “excellence,” what true excellence really looks like, and the achievable strategies to achieve it. Also check out Brad’s new book, The Way of Excellence: A Guide to True Greatness and Deep Satisfaction in a Chaotic World. 00:00 Intro 02:08 How Brad define’s “excellence” 05:47 What is “zombie burnout”? 07:59 How to avoid a sh**** flow state 11:05 Identity house  18:38 Should we be thinking in terms of a “minimum effective dose”? 21:42 The real meaning of grit  25:32 How do you know if you’ve found fit in a given profession? 28:01 Brad’s views on failure 31:35 Can a growth mindset ever handicap you? 33:44 The first step towards excellence This episode was sponsored by Granola. Head to granola.ai/brew to try Granola for free. That’s granola.ai/brew to try it today for FREE.  Find Granola-generated notes on this episode here: https://notes.granola.ai/t/f3c9df4d-0c70-4de5-b584-bea0f16d3dcf-009c2hma Want to get all of Kaila & Kyle’s career resources? Subscribe to Per My Last Email: https://www.permylastemailshow.com/  Watch Per My Last Email on YouTube:   @PerMYLastEmailShow Follow Per My Last Email Instagram: @permylastemailshow TikTok: @permylastemailshow Twitter: @permylast_email Have a question for us? Send us an email or voice note to [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Each week on Per My Last Email, Morning Brew’s resident career experts Kaila and Kyle – whose careers have collectively spanned the corporate, government, nonprofit and startup sectors – debate the trickiest challenges in work life, and share tactics on how to overcome them. Share the show with a friend, and leave us a review on your favorite podcast app! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Kaila and Kyle answer listener-submitted questions around career advice and work dilemmas. From just how friendly you should get with your boss to how to ask for remote work accommodations, this episode addresses a wide range of relatable scenarios.  00:00 Intro 02:56 Question 1 - Can you befriend your boss? 10:37 Question 2 - Can I ask for a raise after a round of layoffs? 15:50 Question 3 - How can I ask for remote work accommodations? 21:57 Question 4 - How should you prepare for a merger/acquisition at your company? This episode was sponsored by Granola. Head to granola.ai/brew to try Granola for free. That’s granola.ai/brew to try it today for FREE.  Find Granola-generated notes on this episode here: https://notes.granola.ai/t/4c7f65b0-fdee-40ca-9e1c-e9aa332279f7-009c2hma Want to get all of Kaila & Kyle’s career resources? Subscribe to Per My Last Email: https://www.permylastemailshow.com/  Watch Per My Last Email on YouTube:   @PerMYLastEmailShow Follow Per My Last Email Instagram: @permylastemailshow TikTok: @permylastemailshow Twitter: @permylast_email Have a question for us? Send us an email or voice note to [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Each week on Per My Last Email, Morning Brew’s resident career experts Kaila and Kyle – whose careers have collectively spanned the corporate, government, nonprofit and startup sectors – debate the trickiest challenges in work life, and share tactics on how to overcome them. Share the show with a friend, and leave us a review on your favorite podcast app! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Kaila and Kyle are joined by Aiko Bethea, Founder of Rare Coaching, to talk about the hidden bullsh*t at work, how it’s holding you back, and what you can do about it. From holding yourself, your colleagues, and even bosses accountable, to freeing yourself of a scarcity mindset, this conversation is packed with practical advice for anyone feeling stuck in their career.  And don’t forget to pick up Aiko’s new book, Anchored, Aligned, Accountable: A Framework for Transcending Bullsh*t and Transforming Our Lives and Work. 00:00 Intro 02:04 What Aiko is referring to when she talks about bullsh*t 04:57 The Bullsh*t Asymmetry Principle  06:13 Using the anchored, aligned, accountable framework  11:37 How to figure out your values 17:42 Finding the motivation to get clear on your values 21:22 How to hold colleagues, peers, and higher-ups accountable 25:13 The important role of curiosity 28:00 How do you counteract a scarcity mindset? 33:07 How do you know when your identity is too tied up in your work?  38:45 The best first step towards getting anchored, aligned, and accountable This episode was sponsored by Granola. Head to granola.ai/brew to try Granola for free. That’s granola.ai/brew to try it today for FREE.  Find Granola-generated notes on this episode here: https://notes.granola.ai/t/3956660c-bf65-4fc9-a36e-c0781be3c119-008umkv4  Want to get all of Kaila & Kyle’s career resources? Subscribe to Per My Last Email: https://www.permylastemailshow.com/  Watch Per My Last Email on YouTube:   @PerMYLastEmailShow Follow Per My Last Email Instagram: @permylastemailshow TikTok: @permylastemailshow Twitter: @permylast_email Have a question for us? Send us an email or voice note to [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Each week on Per My Last Email, Morning Brew’s resident career experts Kaila and Kyle – whose careers have collectively spanned the corporate, government, nonprofit and startup sectors – debate the trickiest challenges in work life, and share tactics on how to overcome them. Share the show with a friend, and leave us a review on your favorite podcast app! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Kaila and Kyle break down the five sneaky (and surprising) things that are affecting your career, and what you can do about them.  00:00 Intro 02:42 Why your commute is more important than you think 08:00 Tactics if your commute is negatively impacting your career 11:00 How discussing your AI use can impact your career 17:59 The consequences of being unknown at work 22:27 Tactics for making yourself better known at work 24:51 How bad tech affects your career 30:16 Dealing with manager burnout This episode was sponsored by Allergy Insider. Ask your primary care provider about getting tested with your local respiratory allergy profile today. Learn more at: allergyinsider.com/questionnaire  Want to get all of Kaila & Kyle’s career resources? Subscribe to Per My Last Email: https://www.permylastemailshow.com/  Watch Per My Last Email on YouTube:   @PerMYLastEmailShow Follow Per My Last Email Instagram: @permylastemailshow TikTok: @permylastemailshow Twitter: @permylast_email Have a question for us? Send us an email or voice note to [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Each week on Per My Last Email, Morning Brew’s resident career experts Kaila and Kyle – whose careers have collectively spanned the corporate, government, nonprofit and startup sectors – debate the trickiest challenges in work life, and share tactics on how to overcome them. Share the show with a friend, and leave us a review on your favorite podcast app! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices