In this raw and deeply moving conversation, Jeff & Jourdan Johnson share their unconventional love story, Jeff’s journey with same sex attraction, and the pain of navigating these realities within the church. Together, they open up about grief, identity, marriage, and the ways the church has often failed to create space for honest conversations around sexuality and suffering. If you’ve ever wrestled with shame, belonging, or holding pain and hope at the same time, this episode is for yo...