Julia Ioffe rings up Peter Hamby from the grounds of the Aspen Security Conference to discuss her exclusive reporting on Joe Biden’s tense Zoom call with House Democrats, before revealing the anxiety swirling around the conference over the specter of a second Trump presidency.

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