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NATO’s dialogues: America’s (next) threat to go
21 minutes Posted Apr 9, 2026 at 10:11 am.
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President Donald Trump has long threatened to pull America out of the alliance. We examine why the Iran war has made this time look significantly more serious. Westerners are fleeing their countries in record numbers—with economic consequences for their origins and destinations. And our series profiling the countries contesting the World Cup starts with Spain.  


Guests and host:

  • Anton La Guardia, diplomatic editor
  • Callum Williams, senior economics writer
  • Jon Fasman, senior culture correspondent
  • Rosie Blau, co-host of “The Intelligence”
  • Jason Palmer, co-host of “The Intelligence”


Topics covered: 

  • NATO, war in Iran, Donald Trump, Mark Rutte
  • expats, emigration, economics
  • World Cup, Spain


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